The Emirates Advantage… Not just subsidies
#291
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Wait till Iran / Saudi trade nukes in their proxy war between the suni and shia and see how people react to the new "international" airline system based in UAE.
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The sad thing is you are so clueless that you would even make a statement like that. You do realize that in your rush towards protectionism, statements and positions like the above could well slit the throats of thousands of American unionized workers? You know that ones that have jobs because their companies sell products overseas with the help of Ex-Im financing. It's not just Boeing aircraft that are sold with Ex-Im financing.
Please people, do some research and reading on your own before buying ALPA's tripe:
The FACTS About EXIM Bank | EXIM.gov
Typhoonpilot
Please people, do some research and reading on your own before buying ALPA's tripe:
The FACTS About EXIM Bank | EXIM.gov
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#293
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Take Boeing out of the equation for a minute. In 2012 there were over $25 billion dollars in U.S. goods and services sold overseas as a result of EXIM financing. Maybe some of those deals could have been done with other means. We'll never know. But let's say 25% could not have been done. That's a $6.25 billion hit to the U.S. economy. Exactly how many jobs would that represent? I'm not an economist so I can't say for sure, but let's guess 30% of that revenue goes to salaries and let's just say a salary of $100,000/year. That equates to 18,750 jobs at $100,000/year or 37,500 job s at $50,000/year.
I did. You understand that they aren't supposed to be eligible for EXIM loans/guarantees because they're a US company, right?
My understanding is there are times that it can be used for U.S. companies.
But I oppose the UAE receiving any EXIM money; they are not who the program was set up for. And I'm sure you know that.
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Nice try attempting to keep your little sheik's welfare checks coming. Through heavy lobying you may succeed, but its never looked less likely for you than it does now. BTW your megalomaniac emperor Tim Clark admitted he would still buy the planes he wanted regardless of his welfare check. So swing and a miss with the fake concern with American union workers.
I see reading comprehension isn't your forte.
At least I can have an intelligent conversation with Andy. He takes the time to research and come up with good points We may not agree, but I certainly respect him for his intelligence. You just rely on simplistic fear mongering hatred and rhetoric.
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I see reading comprehension isn't your forte.
At least I can have an intelligent conversation with Andy. He takes the time to research and come up with good points We may not agree, but I certainly respect him for his intelligence. You just rely on simplistic fear mongering hatred and rhetoric.
TP
At least I can have an intelligent conversation with Andy. He takes the time to research and come up with good points We may not agree, but I certainly respect him for his intelligence. You just rely on simplistic fear mongering hatred and rhetoric.
TP
Oh, but we have to prop up the ME3 model, to save hard working American union jobs! I can't wait to see the ME3 choke on their super jumbo orders. Its going to happen.
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Nice try attempting to keep your little sheik's welfare checks coming. Through heavy lobying you may succeed, but its never looked less likely for you than it does now. BTW your megalomaniac emperor Tim Clark admitted he would still buy the planes he wanted regardless of his welfare check. So swing and a miss with the fake concern with American union workers.
It's amazing to me that people like TP bash organizations like ALPA, but are so quick to defend airlines that literally are play things for a group of Middle East authoritarian dictators. The sheikhs and emirs that we are dealing with in Qatar and UEA are bad dudes. There are no elections or free press. There are certainly no unions or organized labor.
For a recent example of the kind of tyrants we're dealing with and TP is defending, Qatar just arrested a BBC news crew for trying to report on the plight of their imported foreign workers making all those shiny buildings in Qatar. The news crew was tailed by government security the entire time they were there, thrown in jail, and then had their footage taken away from them. Nice guys those emirs, huh?
I wonder if TP and those like-minded would defend Kim Jong-un if North Korea started an international airline and started dumping subsidized capacity "with really good customer service" into the marketplace?
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If he thought he could break him off a piece of that sweet tax shelter shiny widebody captain expat lifestyle he absolutely would. He's a labor arbitrage agent provocateur union buster only out for himself.
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I know EXIM states that they're making money for the US, but there's significant risk involved with the loans/guarantees/insurance. And seeing that the government states that student loans are profitable in spite of a >20% default rate, I don't trust any government accounting that states that any government program is profitable without an unbiased third party audit.
What I find so humorous about the EXIM reauthorization is that Republicans call it corporate welfare. Support for the program isn't that strong and it will require threading a needle to cobble enough Dem and GOP votes to reauthorize the program. Personally, I see it as corporate welfare. I thank airlines such as Etihad and Emirates that have abused the program; it makes it that much harder to get it reauthorized.
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What I find so humorous about the EXIM reauthorization is that Republicans call it corporate welfare. Support for the program isn't that strong and it will require threading a needle to cobble enough Dem and GOP votes to reauthorize the program. Personally, I see it as corporate welfare. I thank airlines such as Etihad and Emirates that have abused the program; it makes it that much harder to get it reauthorized.
And if its so "profitable" why don't we let US airlines get the same welfare check? Its a Keynesian miracle! Weeeeeeeeee!
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A far more likely scenario is that it does get reauthorized…but cuts out the ME3 and their widebody welfare checks. And they will still buy Boeing AC. They might cancel a small order just for effect but their growth plans with BA AC will barely be effected.
And if its so "profitable" why don't we let US airlines get the same welfare check? Its a Keynesian miracle! Weeeeeeeeee!
And if its so "profitable" why don't we let US airlines get the same welfare check? Its a Keynesian miracle! Weeeeeeeeee!
Better to let the entire inefficient porkbarrel agency die.
And the private banks can make a reasonable argument that it costs them profits.
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