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Al Czervik 04-28-2015 03:24 AM

Richard Anderson to retire?
 
Had a DL union guy on the jumpseat. Nice guy. Talked about the contract asks and of Anderson retiring soon. Truth?

sailingfun 04-28-2015 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1869887)
Had a DL union guy on the jumpseat. Nice guy. Talked about the contract asks and of Anderson retiring soon. Truth?

Anderson has recently stated that Delta would be his last job. He did not give a timeframe for retirement other then saying he has no plans to leave soon.

3 green 04-28-2015 03:47 AM

I hear that he is retiring this fall, and Bastian will take his place.

thinkstraight 04-28-2015 04:00 AM

Ed is like our presidential candidates. It's hard to get excited about......

Justdoinmyjob 04-28-2015 04:40 AM

Anderson has been "retiring soon" for the last several years. If he is planning on it, only a handful of senior execs would know and they wouldn't be talking about it publicly.

Timbo 04-28-2015 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1869888)
Anderson has recently stated that Delta would be his last job. He did not give a timeframe for retirement other then saying he has no plans to leave soon.

Is this the same guy who said he had no plans to merge with NW? :rolleyes:

forgot to bid 04-28-2015 05:14 AM

Serious question, is Ed an automatic to replace Richard or do they go outside the box and replace both?

Timbo 04-28-2015 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1869919)
Serious question, is Ed an automatic to replace Richard or do they go outside the box and replace both?

Ed is the only South Manager to survive the bankruptcy "Restructuring".

I'm guessing that's not a coincidence.

He must have buddies on the BOD, I'll be very surprised if he's not 'the chosen one'.

ExAF 04-28-2015 05:40 AM

Not a mgt fan, but it will be a sad day when Anderson retires. Better the devil you know than the one you don't. At least he's interested in running a profitable air line.

Purple Drank 04-28-2015 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1869895)
I hear that he is retiring this fall, and Bastian will take his place.

Great. A high-functioning sociopath with a pathological hatred of pilots.

Can't wait.

Timbo 04-28-2015 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1869935)
Great. A high-functioning sociopath with a pathological hatred of pilots.

Can't wait.

My only problem is...

What am I going to buy Ed for his next Birthday Present?? :eek:

Oh WAIT...

I know, how about another 4,8,3,3 paid for by further profit sharing reductions! :rolleyes:

RockyBoy 04-28-2015 06:47 AM

I'd take a 5% paycut to have them fire Ed when RA leaves and bring back Jim Whitehurst to run Delta for the next 20 years.

Herman 04-28-2015 09:25 AM

Ed's a prick. Came up to the cockpit and wanted to have a conversation in NY while we were both trying to quickly eat lunch and expedite ops. Small thing sure...but zero awareness of others, or his surroundings. This is the man who "lost sleep" over pilot pay. He should rather, lose sleep over how to pay us more! Wouldn't that mean Delta was "making more"?

Herkflyr 04-28-2015 09:52 AM

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Doug Masters 04-28-2015 09:57 AM

Lets take away his pension and he'll stay till 65.

Timbo 04-28-2015 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1870092)
Lets take away his pension and he'll stay till 65.

I was wondering how old Richard is, and if maybe his birthday was in October, which is the rumored month he wants out. Anyone seen his birthdate anywhere?

Doug Masters 04-28-2015 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1870123)
I was wondering how old Richard is, and if maybe his birthday was in October, which is the rumored month he wants out. Anyone seen his birthdate anywhere?

Richard H. Anderson (businessman) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

scambo1 04-28-2015 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1870092)
Lets take away his pension and he'll stay till 65.

Best response.:D

forgot to bid 04-28-2015 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1869938)
My only problem is...

What am I going to buy Ed for his next Birthday Present?? :eek:

Oh WAIT...

I know, how about another 4,8,3,3 paid for by further profit sharing reductions! :rolleyes:

Well, its one way to end constructive engagement.

OldFlyGuy 04-28-2015 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1869938)
My only problem is...

What am I going to buy Ed for his next Birthday Present?? :eek:

Oh WAIT...

I know, how about another 4,8,3,3 paid for by further profit sharing reductions! :rolleyes:

You don't actually believe we received 4--6 mos before amendable 8.5-3-3 and 1 to DC for our share of the pro shar reduction? I presume you are instead saying "no" to another cost neutral contract. I'm not sure what we have of significant value that DAL wants aside from scope or RJ relief. NOT JMO, but they can't have any. No mas. Nada. Zip. So Sorry..not happening. OFG

CaYaTeKbron 04-28-2015 07:22 PM

Anderson's retirement will happens once the move of Delta to MSP
Starts....
:-0 :-)

Timbo 04-28-2015 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1870132)

If that's correct, he's not near 65 yet, won't even be 60 until next year. I wonder who wrote that Wiki.

They forgot to mention he worked for Frank Lorenzo in 1983 and helped take Continental and Eastern apart...:rolleyes:

He's from Houston, just like Lorenzo and Bush 1, who looked the other way while Frankie was destroying Eastern.

badflaps 04-29-2015 04:03 AM

I wish more people paid attention to RA's airline background. The duck thing.... applies here.

Karnak 04-29-2015 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1870490)
I wish more people paid attention to RA's airline background. The duck thing.... applies here.

I think people are paying attention to his results here. Rather than trying to figure out what species he is, they're evaluating what he's actually done here.

When I was junior I had to fly several trips with a scab named Gordo. I did my job as best as I could, and later, when I upgraded to captain, I didn't do anything like him.

Timbo 04-29-2015 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1870505)
I think people are paying attention to his results here. Rather than trying to figure out what species he is, they're evaluating what he's actually done here.

When I was junior I had to fly several trips with a scab named Gordo. I did my job as best as I could, and later, when I upgraded to captain, I didn't do anything like him.

It's obvious to me that Richard learned what -not- to do, when it comes to talking/negotiating with the pilots. He saw what happens when you pizz them off enough to walk, at both CAL and EAL.

My question is, when is our MEC going to grown some stones and start showing how much money the Delta Pilots have contributed to Delta's record earnings, and demand that we be repaid?

How they let Richard's remark that "Labor Risk has been taken off the table" go unchallenged is beyond me. :rolleyes:

Without Labor Risk, what leverage does any Union have when it comes time to negotiate?

Our MEC reminds me of that scene from Animal House where the frat boy is spanking the pledge with the big paddle, and the pledge is yelling, "Thank you Sir! May I have another?"

Richard is holding the paddle, while our MEC is bent over, begging to be spanked again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ

Karnak 04-29-2015 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1870544)
It's obvious to me that Richard learned what -not- to do, when it comes to talking/negotiating with the pilots. He saw what happens when you pizz them off enough to walk, at both CAL and EAL.

I agree with you. I would add that he was also present as an executive during the NWA strike in 1998. I think he learned from that, too.


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1870544)
My question is, when is our MEC going to grown some stones and start showing how much money the Delta Pilots have contributed to Delta's record earnings, and demand that we be repaid?

I thought the topic was Richard Anderson retiring, and your suggestion that he learned from Lorenzo. Here's what you wrote:

"They forgot to mention he worked for Frank Lorenzo in 1983 and helped take Continental and Eastern apart...

He's from Houston, just like Lorenzo and Bush 1, who looked the other way while Frankie was destroying Eastern.
"

I think there's been enough contrast between Lorenzo and Anderson that we can dismiss the notion that he's a "Lorenzo clone".


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1870544)
How they let Richard's remark that "Labor Risk has been taken off the table" go unchallenged is beyond me. :rolleyes:

Without Labor Risk, what leverage does any Union have when it comes time to negotiate?

We view his comment differently. I think he put himself in a box. He assured Wall Street that his union will be happy. Now he has to deliver on that assurance. There's a lot of rhetoric on this forum (and elsewhere) about what it would take to keep us happy, but I contend the final Yes/No vote on the TA will be the verdict that counts.

TenYearsGone 04-29-2015 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1870490)
I wish more people paid attention to RA's airline background. The duck thing.... applies here.

I, for one, hope the good cop leaves and the bad cop enters. Maybe it would light a fire under our membership:D And maybe we will stop hearing, "I got RA's personal Cell phone number on quick dial." :confused:

TEN

Herman 04-30-2015 07:00 PM

Hate when you do that Ten...I'm in a hotel in Mecca and you made me get the Led out...again. Cheers h.

TenYearsGone 04-30-2015 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Herman (Post 1871848)
Hate when you do that Ten...I'm in a hotel in Mecca and you made me get the Led out...again. Cheers h.

Im glad someone gets it!!! Enjoy:)

TEN

Elliot 05-01-2015 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1870831)
I, for one, hope the good cop leaves and the bad cop enters. Maybe it would light a fire under our membership:D And maybe we will stop hearing, "I got RA's personal Cell phone number on quick dial." :confused:
TEN

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Purple Drank 05-09-2015 04:23 PM

Bastian will never be the CEO. He's a useful idiot being exploited as the "bad cop." But when the time comes, he'll be "Whitehursed..."

And Whitehurst will be back as the CEO.

Sobchak 05-09-2015 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1876972)
Bastian will never be the CEO. He's a useful idiot being exploited as the "bad cop." But when the time comes, he'll be "Whitehursed..."

And Whitehurst will be back as the CEO.

Hope you're right. Met them both at charm school and was very impressed with Whitehurst. Not so much with the insomniac.

Timbo 05-09-2015 09:08 PM

Does Whitehurst still work here? I thought he left. I did like hearing from him 'back in the day' but I haven't seen his name on anything in a long time.

3 green 05-10-2015 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1877073)
Does Whitehurst still work here? I thought he left. I did like hearing from him 'back in the day' but I haven't seen his name on anything in a long time.

Last I heard he was CEO of Red Hat Software. Delta is in the rear view mirror for him.

Purple Drank 05-10-2015 05:56 AM

Whitehurst left when he was passed over. Will he come back if asked? I don't know. There are numerous instances where execs have returned to their previous companies after some time away.

His current IT experience might make him all the more appealing, and I'm sure he'd be paid far more here than at his current gig.

I'm just spitballing.

slowplay 05-10-2015 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1877073)
Does Whitehurst still work here? I thought he left. I did like hearing from him 'back in the day' but I haven't seen his name on anything in a long time.

No. He left "to pursue other opportunities" in 2007 after a string of indecisions and bad decisions, the most public of which was talking at the Paris Air Show about Delta ordering 125 B-787. He was gone within 6 weeks of that faux pas.

Of course we "liked hearing from him" as he told us what we wanted to hear. Then he'd go down the hall to a different work group meeting and say something completely different. He'd top it off with a visit to his crowning achievement, the "Velvet Rope Tour" and yuck it up with the Flight Attendants. He was a helluva chief operating officer - I can't think of a thing that he did that's still in use here other than IFS pandering. He loved taking credit for other people's work, and ran away from accountability for his and his subordinates actions.

Grinstein was leaving in 2007 and Delta was looking at Whitehurst and Bastian as internal candidates, plus the creditors committee had stacked the board with people wishing to look at outside candidates for a new CEO. Whitehurst was supported by Kolshack and Gerry Carolan (VP labor) among others, and his people worked really hard to undo LOA 51 to try and take more. They didn't lose any sleep...they wanted to maximize the pain for us and use the leverage they had. Thankfully, they lost. Ultimately the BOD selected Anderson for CEO and Bastian for president.

You may not like what Bastian said in court or at the 3 man panel, but you'd really not like the snake that was Whitehurst. He and his minions wanted a lot more from you.

Purple Drank 05-10-2015 08:36 AM

Thanks for the backstory--very interesting.

Timbo 05-10-2015 09:31 AM

Wow, thanks for the info Slowplay!

Yeah, after hearing that, I'm very glad he's gone! I just hope he doesn't come back, and I hope Ed is getting his sleep now that the company is earning so much, while we are still 18% behind 2004 rates.

finis72 05-10-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1877236)
No. He left "to pursue other opportunities" in 2007 after a string of indecisions and bad decisions, the most public of which was talking at the Paris Air Show about Delta ordering 125 B-787. He was gone within 6 weeks of that faux pas.

Of course we "liked hearing from him" as he told us what we wanted to hear. Then he'd go down the hall to a different work group meeting and say something completely different. He'd top it off with a visit to his crowning achievement, the "Velvet Rope Tour" and yuck it up with the Flight Attendants. He was a helluva chief operating officer - I can't think of a thing that he did that's still in use here other than IFS pandering. He loved taking credit for other people's work, and ran away from accountability for his and his subordinates actions.

Grinstein was leaving in 2007 and Delta was looking at Whitehurst and Bastian as internal candidates, plus the creditors committee had stacked the board with people wishing to look at outside candidates for a new CEO. Whitehurst was supported by Kolshack and Gerry Carolan (VP labor) among others, and his people worked really hard to undo LOA 51 to try and take more. They didn't lose any sleep...they wanted to maximize the pain for us and use the leverage they had. Thankfully, they lost. Ultimately the BOD selected Anderson for CEO and Bastian for president.

You may not like what Bastian said in court or at the 3 man panel, but you'd really not like the snake that was Whitehurst. He and his minions wanted a lot more from you.

Very accurate description, he had other boners but most of them were with F/A's at the Velvet Ropes.

OldFlyGuy 05-10-2015 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1877305)
Very accurate description, he had other boners but most of them were with F/A's at the Velvet Ropes.

OK, that is funny. The real takeaway from Slowplay is beware when anyone tells you only what you want to hear. That includes the Forum... the union... the company... the gub'ment. Where is that Cialis....? OFG


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