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Old 05-21-2015, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
Why on earth the FAA would not take all of these ATC grads and hire from the streets is beyond belief. I have friends that did the ATC program in college and they said it was virtually identical training to what the FAA provides for new hire controllers.

Did you read the article? The FAA...

discarded 3000 qualified college graduates with degrees in air traffic control despite their following FAA procedure and obtaining FAA accredited degrees.
Public safety is NOT a partisan issue. But the current "leadership" is making it political.

Oh, and before someone attacks the news source (which is the 1st thing some do), lemme remind that WHISTLE-BLOWERS HAVE RECORDED EVIDENCE OF FAA-SPONSORED CHEATING.

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Old 05-21-2015, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
Yeah, Obama and Eric Holder spend their time sorting through resumes for Air Traffic Controllers. Good point. Thanks for adding valuable information to the conversation.

There are about a dozen schools that have ATC programs. ERAU and UND are the largest, I believe. It was supposed to be a direct program right into the FAA training in Oklahoma City. Why on earth the FAA would not take all of these ATC grads and hire from the streets is beyond belief. I have friends that did the ATC program in college and they said it was virtually identical training to what the FAA provides for new hire controllers.
Wow, you're really smart. Now get off the computer and get back to your Al Sharpton rally.
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I was wondering why at a lot of the Centers it sounds like its take your daughter to work day.
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Old 05-21-2015, 04:50 PM
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I have not applied to be a controller myself, but from speaking to people, it sounds like things changed dramatically very recently. The stories I was told were basically applicants got eliminated after taking a "get to know you" type biographical questionnaire-they didnt even get to move on to taking a cog test, knowledge test, or math test. And these were grads of ATC prep programs. Sounds like some good people were pretty devastated. Because of those cases I've heard of, I've been wondering what the hell was going on with hiring ATC people.

I fully understand my post is more hearsay than a strong, first hand account, but it does seems to match up with the posted story. But yeah, it seems something fishy IS going on, and qualified people are being turned away.

P.S an ATC instructor I know basically cited the same thing. He was pretty fired up.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:49 AM
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I am sure obtaining a government job is similar to getting a good job in America anywhere else, "its not what you know its who you know"
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And checking the proper blocks on an application.

When I worked for a large oilfield company, I had to justify why I didn't hire any women who applied. Sad but true.

I hired every single QUALIFIED woman who applied. Some lasted, some didn't.

But when you have no degree and are applying for a job that has "BS or higher degree in Geology, Engineering or the Physical Sciences" and you have an Associates in Business, I'm going to not hire you, then call HR for wasting my time.

But yes, diversity is a mission in big business. Because the government said it is. And woe to the hiring manager who can't back up his decision to not hire a woman or minority with quantifiable facts.

Now I just fly the plane, and the hiring is someone else's nightmare, until they make it mine. Which has rarely happened when they hire someone who has the logbook but not the skills to succeed.
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bozobigtop View Post
I am sure obtaining a government job is similar to getting a good job in America anywhere else, "its not what you know its who you know"
It might be once you get past the HR folks - but it doesn't matter who you know if you can't mark enough of the correct blocks to make it past the HR screening. At least this was my experience with gov't hiring practices.
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:17 AM
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"Chicago center XXX 321, request heading 200 for weather ahead"
"XXX 321, unable heading 200"
"Roger XXX 321, turning heading 200"


Lets see how this plays out.
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I am sure obtaining a government job is similar to getting a good job in America anywhere else, "its not what you know its who you know"
That's great, until you have a conflict at 370.
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That's great, until you have a conflict at 370.
There's a myriad of options to resolve the conflict at 370, none of which include you punching strait into a magenta cell. I'm with Pogey!
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