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rickair7777 01-27-2007 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 108632)
Here is the thing, what are the odds that the captain was going to die. What are the odds the terrorist would of known it and gotten on to this flight. Furthermore what were the odds a terrorist is going to Mexico. Isn't there enough terror in Mexico?

Essentially zero, I wouldn't be worried about that. I would be potentially worried about an opportunistic pyscho who hasn't been taking all his meds...from what I've seen, there's at least one of those on EVERY airline flight :rolleyes:

Really, is there anybody who couldn't fly their own airplane solo? I'd welcome help from an experienced pilot, but a PP would probably just screw up the radios.

aero550 01-27-2007 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 108629)
I could more safely fly the airplane solo than I could while babysitting a PP! I'd rather have an FA up front if I needed help, but why would I? Someone to do the radios might be nice, but a new PP would probably screw up more calls than not in an IFR evironment.

And I agree the security risk is relevant. How do I know the guy is a pilot and not some freakazoid? If I let him get close enough to show me his license, it's too late.

Yeah, I gotta think he was hoping there was maybe a jumpseater or off duty pro on board. When the private pilot came forward, he probably figured "oh well, let's try to make this work." He could probably tell pretty quickly whether the guy was for real and useful or not.

The odds are pretty slim that somebody coming forward would be a homicidal freakizoid. At least I hope so.

It does make one wonder, though, whether the thought crossed the check airman's mind that the captain's keeling over wasn't part of a terrorist plan. Probably just too many things to think about at one time.:(

ERJ135 01-27-2007 07:03 AM

I think I would have rather had an FA up front. A least she could read checklist, etc andyou know that person as opposed to a total stranger. Hey, I guess be glad it wasn't IOE for a new hire. Can you imagine that, first day, first leg your IOE capt keels over:eek: It crossed my mine in IOE.

Tinpusher007 01-27-2007 07:20 AM

Im pretty sure he was looking for a pilot with experience similar to his, like another 121 guy/gal jumpseating. I was just hypothetically thinking, what if things went south once he let this guy in. I can see it now...the media would have a field day and he would have ALOT to answer for.

fireman0174 01-27-2007 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by aero550 (Post 108606)
In an emergency, the PIC can disregard any rule necessary to handle the emergency.

While it's true that the PIC does indeed have the emergency authority, it does not mean that the company and the FAA will simply ignore any event where the pilot exercises such authority. It is not carte blanche. (Is that spelled correctly?)

Maybe the conditions were such that this was needed, it's just that I think the pilot will be asked why he felt the need to bring a complete stranger, who is not an airline pilot, into the cockpit.

JMHO.

Tinpusher007 01-27-2007 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 108668)
While it's true that the PIC does indeed have the emergency authority, it does not mean that the company and the FAA will simply ignore any event where the pilot exercises such authority. It is not carte blanche. (Is that spelled correctly?)

Maybe the conditions were such that this was needed, it's just that I think the pilot will be asked why he felt the need to bring a complete stranger, who is not an airline pilot, into the cockpit.

JMHO.

I concur...and that is my whole point.

Velocipede 01-27-2007 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by ERJ135 (Post 108655)
I think I would have rather had an FA up front. A least she could read checklist, etc andyou know that person as opposed to a total stranger. Hey, I guess be glad it wasn't IOE for a new hire.

I agree with you. I'd put an F/A in the seat if I really felt like I needed the help.

And even a new hire IOE pilot has enough sim time that he could get a normally functioning airplane on a runway somewhere.

Tinpusher007 01-27-2007 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 108690)
I agree with you. I'd put an F/A in the seat if I really felt like I needed the help.

And even a new hire IOE pilot has enough sim time that he could get a normally functioning airplane on a runway somewhere.

With respect to handling duties on the flight deck, how is a F/A much help? To the best of my knowledge they don't recieve any training on flight deck procedures or communicating with ATC.

NGINEWHOISWHAT 01-27-2007 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 108594)
A 150 hour private pilot answered the call.
On a lighter note, there probably isn't one of us on this forum who hasn't dreamed of this very scenario.

17.23 years from now that guy is STILL going to be telling that story. I can see his grand kids rolling there eyes, muttering under their breath "here we go," and easing out of the room when he tells this story! :)

birdstrike 01-27-2007 09:48 AM

The private pilot got to put the gear down and will forever feel like a hero for doing so. Everything worked out just fine so let's stop the second guessing.


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