Wow out of all the days for this to happen MFE has ceilings at 800... I got my PPL at HRL which is down the int he Valley and I flew every time I was scheduled to except for a handful of days due to wx. I bet Brown felt like a bad ass.

What was the cause of death? I assume a heart attack, but nothing confirmed in print.

LOL! Am I the only one here who sees the irony in that statement?

The bottom line is that "capt" was an idiot. He could have EASILY flown and landed the 757 by himself.

Wow. I bet you are really loved by your fellow crewmembers.

He made a decision during an emergency, and ALPA will back him up (in case someone even tries to come down on him).


Maybe it's because he didn't have the "I'm God" mentality that you have. I know you would have hand flown it all the way down alone, which is fine, more power to you.

He saw an advantage in the cabin, and felt like it was a good idea.

Everything worked out ok, so I'm not complaining. Why you would call a check Captain (acting F/O during that flight) an idiot is beyond me.

Seems to me that when I took a checkride for my Commercial Certificate the FAA seemed interested in this little thing called CRM. In fact, had I not known about it, I wouldn't have passed the ride. They have this CRAZY idea that you should use all available resources to safely conduct the flight. Flying a 757 down in IMC after dealing with the stress of having the guy next to you who you spent the past few days getting to know, die on you...Yeah, that's just the time to play the "mine's bigger than yours" game (insert inappropriate comment about Hotmommapilot here) and say, I AM BIG AIRLINE PILOT...I CAN DO IT!!

I have no doubt in the world that he could have safely landed the plane, but if you have help available there is ABSOLUTLY no reason you shouldn't use it.

Give me a break MOMMA!

"She" sure is always the ray of sunshine and warm fuzzies around here, isn't she?! :rolleyes: I STILL think she's not a she -- and is just goofing on all of us. If so, good job, HMP!!!! :D :p

Pilots like you totally blow my mind away. I've never figured out how you are made. I've seen and heard your type from all facets of aviation wether it is military, civilian, corporate, flight instuctor, or ad-hoc freight. But regardless of the background or ever figuring out where or how you are made to feel this way the final outcome is obvious. Your nothing but the idiot you call others.

If you truly are an FO on the 767 then it would already be apparent to you that anyone else who has large jet experience knows we are capable of flying, landing, or handling emergencies single pilot or we wouldn't be able to demonstrate enough competency to pass a type ride in the first place. While the type is CRM on two pilot crews we all demonstrate enough airmanship skills to satisfy this basic concept.

Trust me when I tell you, this CK Airman was more than qualified to fly single pilot. And he most certainly is not an idiot. He demonstrated superior thought and decision making so he didn't have to tell the press about his superior airmanship skills.

It is pilots like you who in a situation like this would start thinking how you are going to speak at your press conference while still handling the emergency.

Next time be a little more proud of one of your own who may have just saved a commercial jet from crashing and scaring passengers away from your airline and mine. And in the meantime SHUT THE **** UP!!

CASS is in place for a reason. Bottom line.

OH please. Yah right, like that's your real reason for calling that training Captain (acting F/O) an 'idiot.'

CalPilotToo said it PERFECTLY


That is you HotMamaPilot! Now slam on your IPod and tot that backpack, and talk about how you saved the day because you're God.

what are the facts??
 

I think we will all agree that having a FLAP pilot from coach come up and assist would probably be a bigger distraction than help.

We will all agree that another CAL pilot from coach would be a tremendous help.

The check airmen probably asked the flight att to seek another pilot (thinking CAL or other major) to help out and when she brought the 280 pound, spectacled, couch potato, 30 C-150 hour havin', 100,000 hr Microsoft Flight Simulator havin', nerd he let him in feeling sorry for him.

Major pilot ha? you think he would have been offended if a pilot from an "Express carrier" came up

Maybe he did consider that it was more than a medical emergency and figured it was better to have someone up there in case he too was stricken suddenly (poisoned or otherwise).

I'm not going to 'monday morning quaterback' his decisions. Let's hope that we don't find ourselves in a similar situation.

A XJT pilot would probably be better than any other airline due to the similarity of operations in the cockpit. It's an easy transition to CAL for XJT pilots (I should know).

Who dreams about that scenario? Some wannabe privat pilot trying to be a hero?

And what is a 753? You can't even get the airplane type right. Go read a Sporty's catalog.

Gman only dreams about the legacy job he'll never get.

G- Man : 757 -300, the biggest 757 out there.

Most of you don't have a 10th of the experience of that check airman. If that was his call, then so be it. Now go back and read your Private Pilot magazines and dream on to when you get to fly something bigger than an RJ.

You must have gotten an F in aircraft recognition/designation. 753 is a B-757-300. Try again...

Although the event was tragic...I would have jumped at an oppurtunity to assist in a scenario such as this. Does this help get him (private pilot) an interview with the company if he wanted to apply?(serious question)

No, but holiday inn select is buying the rights for a commercial.

im glad there are real pilots in here that keep guys like that in check....

753...I knew exactly what he was talking about and I don't own a sporty's catalog and have 24 hours of dual time:mad: logged.

That ain't all. He got one in headwork when he applied to B6.

Actually, yes a student or private pilot who wants to be an airline pilot probably would dream of being called to the cockpit to assist in an emergency. I sure have when I was a private pilot. Whats wrong with that? Its pretty common. And before you attempt to jump on my case about aircraft types, believe me, Im very articulate when it comes to A/C types. You should know that the airlines themselves shorten the the the numerics for their aircraft types such as 753 (757-300) or 764 (767-400), etc. And I do read sporty's from time to time...good stuff in there. May I suggest you go have a stiff drink or something!

Gotta love that Gman...not too many of us can get both our feet in our mouths while typing on a pilot forum.

May I suggest Gman, in future while attempting to be rude and condescending that you do a little research first; you look like an even bigger ass when you're rude, condescending and WRONG. I guess you wouldn't even be able to differentiate between a 757-200 and 757-300 if they we parked next to each other?

Wrong again, Greenface.
I have had that legacy 'dream job' and saw it turn into a nightmare.
Much more happy here at JetBlue. Hope we will never turn into a legacy carrier.

Thanks to everyone else for the friendly explanation.
I thought a 757-300 is called a 757-300.

'My' B-727-200 was always referred to as a 727-200, even if it was a -223.
Not a 723 or something.

Looks like the original news article had it right, I thought the media with their usual ignorance messed it up.

If you filed a flight plan, it was likely designated as a B722 or B72Q. ;)


It all depends on the audience.






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Tinpusher,

a few single malts later your post does not seem that bad anymore.
My apologies. Nothing wrong with Sporty's either.

Its all good g-man...I told you a stiff drink would do the trick. :D

Don't worry. You won't.

With comments like that.......this place is starting to turn into another airliners.net

As long as it doesn't become flightinfo.

After having flown the 75 200 and 300. I prefer the 200 for performance anyday. The 300 performs like a 72 with dash 15 engines and rarely could get abv 350. Although after flying a brand new 300 from Boeing field,still gotta love that new plane smell.

It is so sad to see so many "pilots" attack a peer for making a decision which resulted in a safe landing. Okay, we can state the pros and cons of what he did and how we might handle the situation, but the plane is on the ground undamaged and everyone walked away. Could there have been another path to a safe landing? Sure, but would it have been a better choice? Who knows! The guy made a quick choice and it worked!

Maybe the best plan would have been to get the plane on the localizer, engage the autoland, leave the cockpit, and sit in the back just incase the drugs the the terrorists gave the captian affected the FO too!

geeez

Agreed. Every one of you wouldn't want people second guessing your actions in an emergency, especially if it resulted in a safe landing... yet many of you still want to do the same to someone else.