DELTA: General new hire questions
12-13-2015, 07:48 AM
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DELTA: General new hire questions
Thought I'd start a new thread for this as I'm sure many of us will have similar types of questions that senior guys already know, bit elude us newbies.
If I have a DH first leg and deviate, do I still need to allow two possibilities etc? For example, I have a DH first leg leaves from domicile at 11:15. There is a flight from my home city that leaves at 11:20 and gets in two minutes after my original DH, but doesn't allow for a back-up.
Follow-up: My original day just barely fits in a legal day for duty going to Europe so it's a same day DH. If i deviate, does it have to fit into a duty period?
Sorry, I'm new and just don't want to risk doing something wrong.
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If I have a DH first leg and deviate, do I still need to allow two possibilities etc? For example, I have a DH first leg leaves from domicile at 11:15. There is a flight from my home city that leaves at 11:20 and gets in two minutes after my original DH, but doesn't allow for a back-up.
Follow-up: My original day just barely fits in a legal day for duty going to Europe so it's a same day DH. If i deviate, does it have to fit into a duty period?
Sorry, I'm new and just don't want to risk doing something wrong.
Thanks
12-13-2015, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL757
If I have a DH first leg and deviate, do I still need to allow two possibilities etc? For example, I have a DH first leg leaves from domicile at 11:15. There is a flight from my home city that leaves at 11:20 and gets in two minutes after my original DH, but doesn't allow for a back-up.
1) How many "backups" does the original DH have? In other words, if your scheduled DH from base is timed such that, should that flight fall apart for whatever reason, the scheds could get you on a later flight and still get you in position in time, then your DV8 is expected to have the same flexibility.
2) Does your DV8 plan (including point 1) involve PS on Delta flights? If you're JS'ing on an OAL, then all your normal commuting considerations apply.
If you can't meet both of those, then you're commuting (and fall under those rules). Otherwise, so long as you play by the rules (get there an hour prior via DL PS, have a backup if the original plan had a backup), then you don't need additional backups--you're essentially DH'ing, though your pay will reflect the originally scheduled DH and your per diem will take a hit (TAFB won't start until your working flight).
Originally Posted by DAL757
Follow-up: My original day just barely fits in a legal day for duty going to Europe so it's a same day DH. If i deviate, does it have to fit into a duty period?
12-13-2015, 08:20 AM
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Not sure how this will cut and paste, but this is part of the Scheduling Reference Handbook (go on the DALPA website and download a copy if you don't have one). Answers all the questions you've asked.
Here's the deadhead section:
Deadhead
Deadhead transportation:
• At the conclusion of a rotation will be booked on the flight(s) scheduled to return to base as soon as possible. (Section 8 D. 3.)
• To a layover at the conclusion of a duty period will be booked on the flight(s) scheduled to reach the layover as soon as possible.
• Will not be booked on the jumpseat.
• On an ocean crossing flight, will be in a business-class seat or a first-class seat if the aircraft is not configured with business-class accommodations (Section 16.D.1)
Please refer to this company guidance from the FOM, page 4.1.5, dated June 6, 2013:
“Crew members deadheading on an ocean crossing flight will be provided a business class seat. If a business class seat is not offered when checking in for an ocean crossing flight, attempt to resolve the issue with the agent. If unable to resolve the issue with the gate agent, contact your Chief Pilot or the OCC Duty Pilot. The RES system (G*Crew Rest) has specific information on overall crew rest requirements, definitions, and policy.”
• On a non-ocean-crossing flight with a scheduled block time of 3:45 or more during a duty period scheduled for more than 10:00 duty time will be assigned an available seat in the following order (Section 8.F.3) at the time the rotation is created or the deadhead leg is added to the rotation:
1. An aisle seat in an exit row
2. A window seat in an exit row
3. An aisle seat elsewhere in the coach cabin
4. A window seat elsewhere in the coach cabin
5. A middle seat in an exit row
6. Any seat in the coach cabin
• Report Time?
o The report time for a duty period that begins with an on-line deadhead or Delta Connection deadhead will be 60 minutes prior to departure time.
o The report time for a duty period that begins with an off-line deadhead other than a Delta Connection deadhead will be 90 minutes prior to departure time.
o The report time for a duty period that begins with an ocean-crossing deadhead that originates outside the continental U.S. will be 90 minutes prior to departure time.
o The report time for a duty period that begins with a deadhead to or from Hawaii will be 60 minutes prior to departure time.
Deviating from Scheduled Deadhead
• Permission required?
o A regular pilot does not need permission to deviate from a scheduled deadhead at the beginning or end of a rotation.
o A reserve pilot must receive permission from Crew Scheduling to deviate from a scheduled deadhead at the beginning of a rotation.
o A reserve pilot does not need permission to deviate from a scheduled deadhead at the end of a rotation.
• Effect on FARs?
o For the purposes of FAR Part 117, a pilot who deviates from a scheduled deadhead will be treated as if he had actually travelled on the scheduled deadhead segment(s).
• Effect on per diem?
o When a pilot utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation, his time away from base for the purpose of calculating per diem begins at the later of his actual report or the scheduled report for his first non-deadhead segment.
o When a pilot utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation, his time away from base for the purpose of calculating per diem ends upon his release from his last non-deadhead segment.
• Effect on pay?
o The pay and credit of a rotation will not be affected by a pilot’s decision to deviate from his scheduled deadhead.
• Lodging?
o A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead will be provided lodging as shown on his rotation, provided he notifies Crew Scheduling of his desire to utilize such lodging.
• Special considerations for MAC rotations.
o A pilot deviating from deadhead on a MAC rotation will, upon his request, be provided positive space on-line transportation (including DCI) between a domestic airport in the vicinity of his permanent residence and:
a. the location (other than his base and subject to maximum scheduled duty time limits) where he joins his rotation, and/or
b. the location from where he is scheduled to deadhead back to his base.
Deviating from scheduled deadhead at the beginning of a rotation:
• Report to the airport of departure of the first non-deadhead segment at least one hour prior to scheduled departure time (non-ocean-crossing) or 1½ hours prior to scheduled departure time (ocean crossing).
Exception: Report for flights to/from Hawaii one hour prior to scheduled departure time.
• A regular pilot reporting in such a manner must notify Crew Scheduling of his intention to deviate during the 24 hours immediately preceding the report time for the originally scheduled deadhead segment.
• A reserve pilot must receive permission from Crew Scheduling to deviate at the beginning of a rotation.
• Positive Space Transportation (Section 8.E.8): A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel from his base, or from a domestic airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence, at the beginning of a rotation will be provided positive space on-line transportation if:
a. Company Business travel can be booked in TravelNet without overbooking,
b. the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base,
c. the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments originally scheduled,
d. the routing is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8.E.5, and
e. the routing provides for a subsequent flight that is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8.E.5 if the pilot’s originally scheduled routing provided for such a subsequent flight.
Note one: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E.8 may attempt his booking at any time within 14 days of the report of his rotation.
Note two: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation that does not satisfy the requirements of Section 8.E.8 will be responsible for his transportation.
Note three: A pilot who is provided a positive space reservation for an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E. 8. will make every effort to cancel such reservation in TravelNet if the pilot no longer requires or intends to use the reservation.
Deviating from scheduled deadhead at the end of a rotation:
• No permission is required for a regular or reserve pilot to deviate, but Crew Scheduling must be notified as soon as possible after the arrival of the last non-deadhead segment. This notification may be accomplished via a call to the scheduler or the VRU.
• Contractual break in duty and rest for FAR purposes will begin at the originally scheduled release time.
• Positive-space transportation (Section 8.E.9): A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation to travel to:
a. his base prior to his scheduled deadhead will be provided positive-space on-line transportation if sales are authorized at the time of his attempted booking.
b. a domestic airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence will be provided positive space on-line transportation if:
1) sales are authorized at the time of the attempted booking,
2) the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base,
3) the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments scheduled, and
4) the flight segment(s) departs:
a. prior to the originally scheduled deadhead, or
b. on the same day as the originally scheduled deadhead.
Note one: A pilot deadheading under Section 8.E.9 may attempt his booking at any time after the report of his rotation.
Note two: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation that does not satisfy the requirements of Section 8.E.9 will be responsible for his transportation.
Note three: A pilot who is provided a positive space reservation for an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E.9 will make every effort to cancel such reservation in TravelNet if the pilot no longer requires or intends to use the reservation.
Here's the deadhead section:
Deadhead
Deadhead transportation:
• At the conclusion of a rotation will be booked on the flight(s) scheduled to return to base as soon as possible. (Section 8 D. 3.)
• To a layover at the conclusion of a duty period will be booked on the flight(s) scheduled to reach the layover as soon as possible.
• Will not be booked on the jumpseat.
• On an ocean crossing flight, will be in a business-class seat or a first-class seat if the aircraft is not configured with business-class accommodations (Section 16.D.1)
Please refer to this company guidance from the FOM, page 4.1.5, dated June 6, 2013:
“Crew members deadheading on an ocean crossing flight will be provided a business class seat. If a business class seat is not offered when checking in for an ocean crossing flight, attempt to resolve the issue with the agent. If unable to resolve the issue with the gate agent, contact your Chief Pilot or the OCC Duty Pilot. The RES system (G*Crew Rest) has specific information on overall crew rest requirements, definitions, and policy.”
• On a non-ocean-crossing flight with a scheduled block time of 3:45 or more during a duty period scheduled for more than 10:00 duty time will be assigned an available seat in the following order (Section 8.F.3) at the time the rotation is created or the deadhead leg is added to the rotation:
1. An aisle seat in an exit row
2. A window seat in an exit row
3. An aisle seat elsewhere in the coach cabin
4. A window seat elsewhere in the coach cabin
5. A middle seat in an exit row
6. Any seat in the coach cabin
• Report Time?
o The report time for a duty period that begins with an on-line deadhead or Delta Connection deadhead will be 60 minutes prior to departure time.
o The report time for a duty period that begins with an off-line deadhead other than a Delta Connection deadhead will be 90 minutes prior to departure time.
o The report time for a duty period that begins with an ocean-crossing deadhead that originates outside the continental U.S. will be 90 minutes prior to departure time.
o The report time for a duty period that begins with a deadhead to or from Hawaii will be 60 minutes prior to departure time.
Deviating from Scheduled Deadhead
• Permission required?
o A regular pilot does not need permission to deviate from a scheduled deadhead at the beginning or end of a rotation.
o A reserve pilot must receive permission from Crew Scheduling to deviate from a scheduled deadhead at the beginning of a rotation.
o A reserve pilot does not need permission to deviate from a scheduled deadhead at the end of a rotation.
• Effect on FARs?
o For the purposes of FAR Part 117, a pilot who deviates from a scheduled deadhead will be treated as if he had actually travelled on the scheduled deadhead segment(s).
• Effect on per diem?
o When a pilot utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation, his time away from base for the purpose of calculating per diem begins at the later of his actual report or the scheduled report for his first non-deadhead segment.
o When a pilot utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation, his time away from base for the purpose of calculating per diem ends upon his release from his last non-deadhead segment.
• Effect on pay?
o The pay and credit of a rotation will not be affected by a pilot’s decision to deviate from his scheduled deadhead.
• Lodging?
o A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead will be provided lodging as shown on his rotation, provided he notifies Crew Scheduling of his desire to utilize such lodging.
• Special considerations for MAC rotations.
o A pilot deviating from deadhead on a MAC rotation will, upon his request, be provided positive space on-line transportation (including DCI) between a domestic airport in the vicinity of his permanent residence and:
a. the location (other than his base and subject to maximum scheduled duty time limits) where he joins his rotation, and/or
b. the location from where he is scheduled to deadhead back to his base.
Deviating from scheduled deadhead at the beginning of a rotation:
• Report to the airport of departure of the first non-deadhead segment at least one hour prior to scheduled departure time (non-ocean-crossing) or 1½ hours prior to scheduled departure time (ocean crossing).
Exception: Report for flights to/from Hawaii one hour prior to scheduled departure time.
• A regular pilot reporting in such a manner must notify Crew Scheduling of his intention to deviate during the 24 hours immediately preceding the report time for the originally scheduled deadhead segment.
• A reserve pilot must receive permission from Crew Scheduling to deviate at the beginning of a rotation.
• Positive Space Transportation (Section 8.E.8): A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel from his base, or from a domestic airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence, at the beginning of a rotation will be provided positive space on-line transportation if:
a. Company Business travel can be booked in TravelNet without overbooking,
b. the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base,
c. the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments originally scheduled,
d. the routing is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8.E.5, and
e. the routing provides for a subsequent flight that is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8.E.5 if the pilot’s originally scheduled routing provided for such a subsequent flight.
Note one: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E.8 may attempt his booking at any time within 14 days of the report of his rotation.
Note two: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation that does not satisfy the requirements of Section 8.E.8 will be responsible for his transportation.
Note three: A pilot who is provided a positive space reservation for an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E. 8. will make every effort to cancel such reservation in TravelNet if the pilot no longer requires or intends to use the reservation.
Deviating from scheduled deadhead at the end of a rotation:
• No permission is required for a regular or reserve pilot to deviate, but Crew Scheduling must be notified as soon as possible after the arrival of the last non-deadhead segment. This notification may be accomplished via a call to the scheduler or the VRU.
• Contractual break in duty and rest for FAR purposes will begin at the originally scheduled release time.
• Positive-space transportation (Section 8.E.9): A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation to travel to:
a. his base prior to his scheduled deadhead will be provided positive-space on-line transportation if sales are authorized at the time of his attempted booking.
b. a domestic airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence will be provided positive space on-line transportation if:
1) sales are authorized at the time of the attempted booking,
2) the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base,
3) the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments scheduled, and
4) the flight segment(s) departs:
a. prior to the originally scheduled deadhead, or
b. on the same day as the originally scheduled deadhead.
Note one: A pilot deadheading under Section 8.E.9 may attempt his booking at any time after the report of his rotation.
Note two: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation that does not satisfy the requirements of Section 8.E.9 will be responsible for his transportation.
Note three: A pilot who is provided a positive space reservation for an off-rotation deadhead under Section 8.E.9 will make every effort to cancel such reservation in TravelNet if the pilot no longer requires or intends to use the reservation.
12-13-2015, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Indy
Picked up a short-notice trip to SXM. What is there to do with a long layover there besides watch all the fence hangers? Surfing? Snorkeling?
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