UAL hiring?
02-12-2007, 09:04 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
Well, if you never want to be home and be treated like a slave then its good. Oh did I mention that many corporate pilots make more then their captains. I am on bypass from them now and make as much as a 747 captain and I only fly 2 pax around all the time.
But to answer the question it blows. part of the problem is that most of the pilots are consessionary. if managment asks for more money from them they will actually have a vote and would give up more. they are afraid and it will never change. They have a lame thing going on now called Fix it Now (FIN) road shows and meet and greets by aLPA to show what the dues are going towards. Basically aLPA is afraid of another union coming on the property and they have to show they are doing something.
You will never see and underground or grass roots effort by the pilots to take action to fix it now. We all know it can be done in a matter of 2 to 3 days with UNIONISM. But with all the pilots accepting junior/senior manning its a screwed up deal. Its like trying to get peace in the middle east.
your best bet.....get a G5 or Global type and start earning tomorrow what it will take a career to make at uNITED.
or go for UPS/FEDEX etc. companies that are in business to sell their product instead of trying to cheapen it and merge it.
good luck
But to answer the question it blows. part of the problem is that most of the pilots are consessionary. if managment asks for more money from them they will actually have a vote and would give up more. they are afraid and it will never change. They have a lame thing going on now called Fix it Now (FIN) road shows and meet and greets by aLPA to show what the dues are going towards. Basically aLPA is afraid of another union coming on the property and they have to show they are doing something.
You will never see and underground or grass roots effort by the pilots to take action to fix it now. We all know it can be done in a matter of 2 to 3 days with UNIONISM. But with all the pilots accepting junior/senior manning its a screwed up deal. Its like trying to get peace in the middle east.
your best bet.....get a G5 or Global type and start earning tomorrow what it will take a career to make at uNITED.
or go for UPS/FEDEX etc. companies that are in business to sell their product instead of trying to cheapen it and merge it.
good luck
02-12-2007, 04:29 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Coffee *****
73% of the UAL pilots voted yes to get rid of their A fund, increase their pay cuts from 33% up to 48%, sodomize the narrow body work rules (only the JR pilots of course).....WHICH BY THE COMPANY'S ESTIMATE SAVED $140M PER YEAR !!!. News Flash: United was losing $800M per quarter. Employee cost accounted for less than 17% of operating cost, (thats all employees). UAL pilots should see the UAL bancruptcy lawyer explaining "how to boil a Frog", if that doesnt P--s you off nothing will. Mis-information is what got the contract passed, and dont be fooled, employee pay cuts resulted in single digit savings at UAL.....it was just managements chance to change industry wages for ever and they had the running scared support of ALPA. Do you really think UAL would have gone under without your pay cuts???
Labor costs in 2001 were 7.0B, in 2005 they were 4.0B.
ref. http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...-reportsAnnual
No, I don't think UAL would have gone under, but I do believe UAL would have abrogated our contract through the bankruptcy process without our consent. That could have been worse than what we got. I also believe that no bank would have provided the exit financing with billion dollar unfunded pensions. UAL would have had to get the financing from private sources like the Icahns and Checcis of the world.
Last edited by jsled; 02-12-2007 at 06:58 PM.
02-12-2007, 06:14 PM
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you do realize that 4.0B is for EVERYONE at united? mgmt, salaried ees, ramp workers, pilots, fa's, janitors, etc.
the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.
the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.
02-12-2007, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
you do realize that 4.0B is for EVERYONE at united? mgmt, salaried ees, ramp workers, pilots, fa's, janitors, etc.
the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.
the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.
1. Yes, of course. Coffee ***** was talking about all employees too.
2. I agree. But it certainly was not the point of my post.
02-13-2007, 01:56 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by jsled
I also believe that no bank would have provided the exit financing with billion dollar unfunded pensions. UAL would have had to get the financing from private sources like the Icahns and Checcis of the world.
02-13-2007, 06:02 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by fireman0174
Let us be honest here, the reason Tilton and his gang didn't want private financing was that they knew they were history, most likelly without the benefits they recently awarded themselves.
02-13-2007, 01:03 PM
#28
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UAL would have abrogated our contract through the bankruptcy process without our consent. That could have been worse than what we got. I also believe that no bank would have provided the exit financing with billion dollar unfunded pensions. UAL would have had to get the financing from private sources like the Icahns and Checcis of the world.
I guess that now makes two of us that reluctantly voted yes. At least FrontSeat has a choice now of whether or not he/she wants to come back or continue with his/her posh G5 job. If we all could be so lucky to have such a choice!
02-13-2007, 01:08 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.
There is however a contractual limit to how much one can fly with people on furlough, and it is lower than the regular limit.
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