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jsled 02-06-2007 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by FrontSeat (Post 113793)
you are conflicting yourself with the wages..are they not bad or are they depressing

I say depressing for how much responsibility you have.

Did you vote yes for the last contract? I bet you say no. you can't find anyone who voted no on the property. Although it passed by the majority.

Not conflicting, I never said 182 per hour for a widebody captain was not bad. I just don't know many corporate jet guys making 175K per year. Good for you. The wages are depressing, especially compared to what we made before. I mean talk about a lifestyle change!! I voted yes on the contract. And I believe the HUGE savings to the company contributed greatly to the survival of UAL. Not coolaide drinking here, just being realistic. People talk as if there was some big choice to be made. Well, look at Delta. Look at NWA. They did the same thing. Bankruptcy is a *****.

Coffee Bitch 02-12-2007 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 113795)
Not conflicting, I never said 182 per hour for a widebody captain was not bad. I just don't know many corporate jet guys making 175K per year. Good for you. The wages are depressing, especially compared to what we made before. I mean talk about a lifestyle change!! I voted yes on the contract. And I believe the HUGE savings to the company contributed greatly to the survival of UAL. Not coolaide drinking here, just being realistic. People talk as if there was some big choice to be made. Well, look at Delta. Look at NWA. They did the same thing. Bankruptcy is a *****.

73% of the UAL pilots voted yes to get rid of their A fund, increase their pay cuts from 33% up to 48%, sodomize the narrow body work rules (only the JR pilots of course).....WHICH BY THE COMPANY'S ESTIMATE SAVED $140M PER YEAR !!!. News Flash: United was losing $800M per quarter. Employee cost accounted for less than 17% of operating cost, (thats all employees). UAL pilots should see the UAL bancruptcy lawyer explaining "how to boil a Frog", if that doesnt P--s you off nothing will. Mis-information is what got the contract passed, and dont be fooled, employee pay cuts resulted in single digit savings at UAL.....it was just managements chance to change industry wages for ever and they had the running scared support of ALPA. Do you really think UAL would have gone under without your pay cuts???

HPilot 02-12-2007 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by FrontSeat (Post 113714)
Well, if you never want to be home and be treated like a slave then its good. Oh did I mention that many corporate pilots make more then their captains. I am on bypass from them now and make as much as a 747 captain and I only fly 2 pax around all the time.

But to answer the question it blows. part of the problem is that most of the pilots are consessionary. if managment asks for more money from them they will actually have a vote and would give up more. they are afraid and it will never change. They have a lame thing going on now called Fix it Now (FIN) road shows and meet and greets by aLPA to show what the dues are going towards. Basically aLPA is afraid of another union coming on the property and they have to show they are doing something.

You will never see and underground or grass roots effort by the pilots to take action to fix it now. We all know it can be done in a matter of 2 to 3 days with UNIONISM. But with all the pilots accepting junior/senior manning its a screwed up deal. Its like trying to get peace in the middle east.

your best bet.....get a G5 or Global type and start earning tomorrow what it will take a career to make at uNITED.

or go for UPS/FEDEX etc. companies that are in business to sell their product instead of trying to cheapen it and merge it.

good luck

We have the same going on here. Pilots on furlough and guys picking up extra flying. A guy on the jump seat the other day was bragging about having flown 95 hrs. They're the same ones that say, "oh, they don't really make more than us, because we can fly more hours than they can". Complete f*$@!ng idiots.

jsled 02-12-2007 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Coffee ***** (Post 117233)
73% of the UAL pilots voted yes to get rid of their A fund, increase their pay cuts from 33% up to 48%, sodomize the narrow body work rules (only the JR pilots of course).....WHICH BY THE COMPANY'S ESTIMATE SAVED $140M PER YEAR !!!. News Flash: United was losing $800M per quarter. Employee cost accounted for less than 17% of operating cost, (thats all employees). UAL pilots should see the UAL bancruptcy lawyer explaining "how to boil a Frog", if that doesnt P--s you off nothing will. Mis-information is what got the contract passed, and dont be fooled, employee pay cuts resulted in single digit savings at UAL.....it was just managements chance to change industry wages for ever and they had the running scared support of ALPA. Do you really think UAL would have gone under without your pay cuts???

"Newsflash": Labor costs in 2001 for the full year were 36% of operating expenses, not 17%. Even today, as in the last quarter, labor costs were 23% of operating expenses. BTW, that is a 13 point drop as a percentage of operating costs, and a 57% drop in actual $$$$. Single digit savings my arse!!

Labor costs in 2001 were 7.0B, in 2005 they were 4.0B.

ref. http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...-reportsAnnual



No, I don't think UAL would have gone under, but I do believe UAL would have abrogated our contract through the bankruptcy process without our consent. That could have been worse than what we got. I also believe that no bank would have provided the exit financing with billion dollar unfunded pensions. UAL would have had to get the financing from private sources like the Icahns and Checcis of the world.

320ToBearz 02-12-2007 06:14 PM

you do realize that 4.0B is for EVERYONE at united? mgmt, salaried ees, ramp workers, pilots, fa's, janitors, etc.

the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.

jsled 02-12-2007 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 117476)
you do realize that 4.0B is for EVERYONE at united? mgmt, salaried ees, ramp workers, pilots, fa's, janitors, etc.

the union should be saying things to people picking up OT with people on furlough, that is pure selfishness and greed. ALPA and APA have BOTH looked the other way on this crap.


1. Yes, of course. Coffee ***** was talking about all employees too.


2. I agree. But it certainly was not the point of my post.

fireman0174 02-13-2007 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 117418)
I also believe that no bank would have provided the exit financing with billion dollar unfunded pensions. UAL would have had to get the financing from private sources like the Icahns and Checcis of the world.

Let us be honest here, the reason Tilton and his gang didn't want private financing was that they knew they were history, most likelly without the benefits they recently awarded themselves.

jsled 02-13-2007 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 117587)
Let us be honest here, the reason Tilton and his gang didn't want private financing was that they knew they were history, most likelly without the benefits they recently awarded themselves.

Maybe so, but I for one am glad they didn't go the equity financing route. Look what happened at TWA and NWA in the past. And, lets be honest here, UAL could not have obtained a reasonalble loan with billions of dollars of pension liabilities. Sad but true.

snakeplt 02-13-2007 12:49 PM

Why would anyone want to work at UAL ??? :rolleyes:


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