What's ALPA doing with windfall?
 

I am an ALPA supporter. We need a strong union.

That being said....:D

United pilots alone pay about $50 million per year in dues. That is WAY up from a few years ago (I know...it's up because ALPA got us the raises).

Does anyone know what they're doing with all the extra money?

Are we giving pensions to the office staff and ALPA national officers?

There is a LOT of money involved here. I would like to see proof that it is going to good use.

Just thought this might be an interesting conversation.

It won't. Go on the ALPA website and do some research. It's all there.

If you truly are as lazy as you appear, you can call your reps.

That or you are trying to incite an ALPA bashing.

Funding the campaigns of bad politicians. :mad:

Sorry, wrong Mr. ALPA heater. Nice try though. Not one red cent of dues money goes to campaign funding. That all comes from ALPAPAC. Those funds are voluntarily donated by individuals who realize that friendly politicians can pay HUGE dividends when legislation effecting pilot's interests come up.

Wrong! Factually incorrect:


Air Line Pilots Assn: Summary | OpenSecrets

All that came from ALPAPAC not dues money. So quit lying.

We get it. You hate ALPA.

Packrat is correct that all the political donations come from ALPA PAC.

Why do you hate ALPA so much, if you're not even in the business yet??? What did ALPA do to you? :cool:

Or are you a TROLL? :rolleyes:

Ok, so I played his game. Went and researched that page. Everything is factually correct on it. However, nowhere does it say that the monies came from dues. All it references, very briefly, (in a pie chart,) is the money comes from donations from individuals and organizations. Maybe he is trying to hang his hat on that, but overall, that site totally disproves his rant theory.

Yepeeeeeee! Another ALPA haters thread...! Let me get some popcorn

Why should I be forced to join a union just to get a job? :rolleyes:

Because why should you be able to take advantage of the benefits that union dues have afforded all pilots, and then not participate in the process?

Why should you be a part of a collectively bargained contract but not want to pay your fair share like everyone else did to secure that contract?

Don't worry, you won't have to join ALPA, but you'll sure as heck have to pay shop fees nonetheless.

No free rides, and you still have a lot to learn about this business that you're paying 12% in loans to learn.

By the way...you object to 2% union dues but pay 12% in lending. Seems like you have it figured out.

Martin obviously doesn't understand the accounting requirement ALPA has to provide the Feds. There is no legal method to intermingle PAC money with dues money. It's also illegal to use dues money for political contributions.

ALPAPAC relies solely on the contributions of individuals above and beyond dues obligations. Period.

Let it go, Martin. As Abe Lincoln said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

You don't have to. There are plenty of Aviation Jobs out there that are non union, including some airlines.
You can also look at overseas operations..

You're not, but you'll have to pay shop fees instead, which at some companies is almost the same amount as dues. Or you can go corporate and hope you don't get fired for a safety of flight decision. Better idea: do some research (Or finish your Instrument Rating) before you flap your gums to the near-95% Union membership on this (or any) airline pilot board?

Haha, you're 'a year away from 1500TT,' but you're concerned with joining a union to get a job? Do us all a favor and seek employment outside of a union shop...no need to hear your whining about the 2% for all the benefits it provides.

Like others have said, go corporate, charter, etc... They LOVE non-union pilots...much easier to push around.

Better yet, do the profession a favor and quit now or educate yourself.

If want to take advantage of the benefits, then I should join the union. If I don't want the benefits, then I shouldn't be forced to join the union. It's about freedom of choice.

Yes the unions do and have done a lot of good things. They have also done a lot of very lousy things.

But people should be free to choose whether they want to join a union or not. No one should be forced to join a union just to get a job.

Forced unionism is slavery.

Nobody is forced to join a union in the U.S. as these fine folks have repeatedly tried to explain to you.

Please do us all a favor and go work for a non-union airline. Unfortunately, you'll still reap some of the benefits from ALPA setting the going wage, but not many of the quality of life and R&I benefits.

Quite frankly we don't want you in our ranks anymore than you want us. Please make sure you bring this up at all your interviews then you will likely end up at an airline that suits you perfectly.

If you are hired by a certain company then you are.

No you're not. You will have to pay an agency fee which is slightly less than Union dues. Why? Because you are benefitting from the pay/work rules in the Union negotiated contract.

You will not be able to vote for Reps or other issues since you are not a member.

Maybe you should only apply to non-Union carriers if you feel that strongly.

Wrong again.

You come off as a cry baby, no better way to describe your attitude on here. Complaining about airline unions, first year pay at airlines, NYC being too expensive, your student loan interest rate...etc etc yada yada yada... This is clearly the wrong career choice for you. Especially considering you haven't even logged a minute of actual instrument time yet without an instructor next to you....long long way to go with already such a poor attitude.

Get off your soap box and listen to people who have something more than "Private Pilot-Single Engine" on their certificate; you have no idea about how unions work in the professional 121 world and to separate pay rates at an airline for union and non union pilots only reinforces managements desire to divide and conquer pilots.

You suggest "freedom of choice," so as others have said, work for a non union airline. If you want to fly part 121 in the US, there is 1 airline left, SkyWest. However by the time you have the minimums to get hired there, hopefully they will have voted in a recognized union by that point in time as well.

And as others have said, you are never forced to join a union if hired at a union job. Educate yourself.

If you don't want to work at union wages, but want to take the job anyway at lower wages, that's called ... um, there's a name for that ... let me see ....

Ever notice how all the formerly non-union airlines (Virgin, JetBlue...) always tend to eventually decide they want representation? Ever find an example of a vote that went the other way. See a trend? Ever wonder why?

Fear not, there's always Emirates. I'm sure your rugged individualism will be warmly welcomed there.

Low first year pay is caused by the unions.

So why is first year pay also low at non union 135 shops, and Skywest?

The real question is why do the unions allow the airlines low wages for FO's at the regionals? That's what they are there to prevent.

As long as there are people willing to accept those pay rates, the Companies will have no incentive to raise them. But I guess you haven't made the intellectual connection between the ads on this site offering regional jobs with signing bonuses.

Why am I not surprised?

Ever heard of a thing called a B-scale? How about Robert Crandall? CAL pilot strike in 1983? UAL pilot strike in 1985? The unions have fought back from these deregulatory setbacks to where the first few years' pay at the majors is infinitely better. Turn off Fox 'News', read some history and get a clue. The very unions you criticize are the only organizations who have fought the things you don't like. Without the unions the free market would make the piloting profession unpalatable even for the likes of people like you.

If you are going to troll at least get a clue. Your ignorance is staggering.

This makes me think he's just a troll.

First year pilots aren't members of the union and don't pay dues or any fees. First year pay is a sample of what payrates based on supply and demand would look like. If the company can find people willing yo work for first year pay they have zero desire to raise it. You start to see the benefits of a union at 2nd year pay because the union fights for payrates of members who pay dues.

And as long as people like you take 100k loans from Sallie Mae at 12% to take those wages, they will remain low.

I pretty sure you will burn out by the time you make it to your commercial anyways, your attitude is way too poor for such an early state of your primary flight training.

Fund Kitty Hawk.


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What's ALPA doing with windfall?
 

I would suggest the Bishop look for a non union owner operator corporate job. Great opportunities out there for "the right person." A number of them could care less what your experience & education background are as long as you are a 24 hour a day ass kisser. Get a good dose of washing/waxing the bird and their cars, taking care of their dog, mowing their lawn, picking them up, flying the jet without duty limits, owner directing you how to operate the jet & if real lucky maybe get the great chance of working on one of his assembly lines during RONs while he is out playing golf or on the boat for a week or more. Just a recommendation....there are a number of jobs out there, but very few career jobs. Choose wisely.