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busdriver12 08-30-2016 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2192055)
Who wants to do all that. Sounds exhausting.

For sure. I'm getting old. I could retire in a few years (early, at 55 ,if wanted). And if, God forbid, my pension disappeared, I have saved enough money to survive. Life is short, I hope everyone can be happy doing what they enjoy.

White Cap 08-30-2016 07:47 PM

Hey, it is wonderful for these self made pilots to tell us that they made a better path. For the last twenty years, I have watched company men go outside the scope of their work to do work that their company should have paid for (filing flight plans, doing paper work, fighting with fuelers, etc.) In the end, so many of these heroes were let go for no reason other than budget cuts. We are all cogs in a machine. Do your job of flying airplanes from A to B safely, then profitably. No more - you were hired as a pilot. The rest of us choose to happily (more or less) pay union dues, help out our brothers and sisters, and deal with whatever life throws at us. We could be hit by a bus tomorrow, or a child could be diagnosed with something bad, or a medical condition could end our career early. Cry me a river, that is life. Thank our lucky stars that we were born into such privilege that most of humanity doesn't get. I am very grateful to be have my union looking out for me, and I am happy to see all of the union mechanics and truckers fight for their piece of the pie. I am tired of these self-serving "professionals" who tell us how they beat the system. Rant over.

tomgoodman 08-30-2016 08:18 PM

If somebody is happy with their career choice, who am I to say that they're wrong? Doing so might suggest that I have doubts about my own choice and am trying to make myself feel better about it. :rolleyes:

NYC Pilot 08-30-2016 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by likenotomorow (Post 2190753)
Didn't go the ex-pat route though I knew a few who did. Seemed like a tough existence that wasn't conducive to family life, or Americans.

What I have found is that nobody, in a purely economic sense, has the ability to "destroy" anyone's life or livelihood.

While we as pilots, are part of the so-called professional class, we are in reality skilled tradesmen. In college, I pursued and attained a four-year degree in English Lit while obtaining my ratings as electives, simply because the airlines required a four-year degree. I took the path of least resistance because I like to read and English is my native tongue. And business classes are utterly eye watering. But it's a totally useless qualification. Unless I wished to endlessly regurgitate the ideas and arguments of my professors regarding the Transcendentalist movement in an academic career, nobody hires an English major to fly their jet. No, the thing I was pursuing was a trade, not different than that of an HVAC technician, an electrician or an A&P. Like my dad, who obtained all of his ratings at the local aerodrome whilst he was a DC-3 cabin attendant, a trade offers sanctioned, often internationally recognized credentials that are specific to the trade. And therefore salable.

I explained this concept early to my children: a bachelor's or master's degree confers no ability to make a living unless it comes with a salable credential, and often some kind of apprenticeship period. Thus the world is littered with useless undergrad degrees. If your major has the term "studies" or references some bygone era of world history, you have been taken and will likely find no employment in your field of endeavor. Good luck.

I realized, while fuming and sputtering through my airline career, that unless I was happy with other people making my career decisions, I would have to put my credentials to the test in the marketplace. And I wasn't happy. I also knew that sitting in the right seat of a baby Boeing, connecting 12 city pairs together for the next decade or two wasn't doing anything for my credentials - or my attitude. I also understood that as long as I didn't sexually harass somebody, passed my physical and showed up for training, nobody really gave a damn whether it was me, or somebody that looked like me, that showed up that day. I could then pursue a life of acquiring stuff without regard for where I was headed professionally: it was out of my hands.

So after the dreams of falling, suffocation and drowning became too much and my wife mused on the likelihood of pleading temporary insanity to the impending violent death of her husband, I went forth, with some help and encouragement from friends to another, more vibrant sector of aviation where I have apparently, unaccountably...prospered.

Being that you are an English Major you probably already know this but sentences don't start with AND or BUT...Just sayin, cheers!

UALfor25 08-30-2016 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by NYC Pilot (Post 2192164)
Being that you are an English Major you probably already know this but sentences don't start with AND or BUT...Just sayin, cheers!

He's smart enough to know that you're incorrect. Search it up for yourself, Ace.

To the OP - beautifully written post. I enjoyed it. Kudos to you for bringing something nice to this acerbic forum.

NYC Pilot 08-30-2016 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by UALfor25 (Post 2192173)
He's smart enough to know that you're incorrect. Search it up for yourself, Ace.

To the OP - beautifully written post. I enjoyed it. Kudos to you for bringing something nice to this acerbic forum.

Wow, I just learned something new..I stand corrected..BTW OP, good post, was just pointing out the obvious.

KIGECA97531 05-20-2020 06:25 AM

After posting all of this pious nonsense, then disappearing for over 3 years, the OP showed back up today to troll the Allegiant pilots in our fight against a management group who is trying to throw out out our contract and furlough, while they brag to their investors about airplane shopping and how things are on the upswing.

That's rich. I guess he ended up finding a job in airline management. Go figure.


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