So let the contracts expire bring it in house and pay the pilots right. Tell republic and the like will die and that just fine.

Good point! Low time is low time is low time. The only guys who want the hour limits lowered are guys with low time, and or airline bean counters who don't want to pay pilots for their work. It is a rare low time pilot who is good to fly with.

The aviation scam universities are number two behind the airlines. They want a specific carve out for an aviation degree. They already have one and now they want a bigger one.

Then why haven't the unions fixed the pay problem? Isn't that what they are there for?

Roger Cohen? Is that you?

the RLA is a rigged system, but when we win its gonna be UUUUGGGEEE!!!

For all those saying there ain't many you'd be surprised. Marine hornet and harrier guys often do just better than 100 hours a year. If they were unfortunate to have only one flying tour they'd be around 600 hours with flight school included. Two tours and they might break 900. I am not suggesting lowering the limit; but there are more than you think. I ended around 1600 hours with 14 years of service; all flying tours.

United and Delta employ what type of worker? Pilots. How many flights has United or Delta cancelled for a lack of pilots? Strange how the regionals that have the worst QOL and pay, are having a hard time attracting or retaining...Pilots.

There is effectively one talent pool with a few differences now that FOs with no TPIC are being hired at ULCCs and Legacies, consequently regionals are competing to both recruit and retain their pilots.

If the NMB didn't let regional negotiations drag on for years on end, maybe the regionals would be a slightly better place to work, people wouldn't have heard horror stories for decades and every regional wouldn't have a group of 1000+ pilots telling people to avoid Regional X. But those things didn't transpire and now the RAA and regional execs are hesitant to lock in long term costs in the form of wages, instead they choose to increase the talent pool by hiring less qualified applicants.

Regionals don't charge passengers as you know. Regionals typically exist on a FFD model with a built-in margin. Legacies need to decide to take flying in-house, or increase the reimbursement rate for their CPAs. Neither of those cost increases will make it to the consumer for a long time, and any increase is likely to be less than the price sensitivity of the consumer in my opinion.

I echo this sentiment, Navy 60 guys are finishing their first tours with less than a thousand now.


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Well, considering less than 10 years ago, regional airlines averaged less than $20/hour for first year first officers and made them pay for their own training while first year rates are pushing $40/hour with various other benefits, I'd say the unions have been doing alright.

It's not fixed but you can't triple your labor cost overnight. Everything has been headed in the right direction for the better part of the last 5 years with some exceptions. Of course, as an outsider who doesn't really understand the industry, I can see how that's confusing to you. You don't understand what a lack of regulations would do to the industry you are trying to enter. It may help you in the short term but I can promise you, you don't want to go back to the days when the "regionals" operated under 135 with very little work rules or regulations. Ask a lot of the old timers how those days were?