LCC's What's a guy to do?
#12
You're still pretty new, but it won't take you long to realize that most guys who post here probably barely passed their high school English classes.
If you care to refute what I'm saying, go right ahead. Otherwise your name calling just adds you to the list of 300 other members who have nothing intelligent to add to this forum.
If you care to refute what I'm saying, go right ahead. Otherwise your name calling just adds you to the list of 300 other members who have nothing intelligent to add to this forum.
#13
LCC's
Last night I remembered that it was Alaska Airlines that inspired me to go to a LCC in the first place. In my first interview with Alaska the board mentioned that "they liked to see some heavy jet time". Six months later I was sitting in 757 ground school for National Airlines.
A two years later at a job fair the chief pilot of Alaska Airlines when asked if I should stay with a faltering company told me that "the majors liked guys with heavy jet time".
It was common for regional pilots to erase the stench of flying turbines by jumping to a Polar, Evergreen or Vanguard. Less than a year later they were on with the majors of their dreams.
Most average Joe's need some kind of "extra credit" on the resume to get noticed. Simply growing old in the left seat of a Dash 8 will not do any good. Where else is a guy supposed to get some heavy jet time other than an LCC or the military?
SkyHigh
A two years later at a job fair the chief pilot of Alaska Airlines when asked if I should stay with a faltering company told me that "the majors liked guys with heavy jet time".
It was common for regional pilots to erase the stench of flying turbines by jumping to a Polar, Evergreen or Vanguard. Less than a year later they were on with the majors of their dreams.
Most average Joe's need some kind of "extra credit" on the resume to get noticed. Simply growing old in the left seat of a Dash 8 will not do any good. Where else is a guy supposed to get some heavy jet time other than an LCC or the military?
SkyHigh
#14
Duvie you must be a 21st century "sensitive man". That was just light hearted humor. I say worse to the Lieutenant Females in my C-17 reserve unit and even they can laugh without getting defensive. My "newness" is probably due to only having 8000 hrs jet time when most of the old-timers are approaching 20,000 hrs. Or I guess "newness" is due to the fact I have only been furloughed once from a legacy carrier. Or maybe even due to that my wife and I have managed to avoid divorce (remember you are not a real airline pilot until you have been furloughed and divorced). I assume "newness" is a relative term.
My teenager thinks I am as old as dinosaurs, he will chuckle with "you getting all up in my grill".
Sorry, I was all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
My teenager thinks I am as old as dinosaurs, he will chuckle with "you getting all up in my grill".
Sorry, I was all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
#15
"Simply growing old in the left seat of a Dash 8 will not do any good"
A 2006 Alaska hire from JC posted their hiring stats for 2006. 121 pilots hired. 74% no military at all. 17% from Horizon.
A 2006 Alaska hire from JC posted their hiring stats for 2006. 121 pilots hired. 74% no military at all. 17% from Horizon.
#16
Who defines the correct career path?
Why is it that it resentment sets in when someone else has a different path to their success? Sour grapes? Why do we each envy the pilot who got a break? We all pay our dues some way. There are those who are lucky and don't realise it. Others work their tails off and have little to show.
Ours is the only profession, where you are punished if you change employers, either by your own volition or under duress. You can be punished for staying, too.
Yes, I have been notified, that my services were not needed four times. Restructuring, policy changes, and bankruptcy have been causal factors. When you step onto the property, you have no real idea what will happen to your aviation career. I knew and worked with former Pan Am and Eastern captains, while working for a foreign carrier. I know guys that took a chance at both National and Jet Blue. What about the TWA crewmembers? It is a crap shoot either way.
We are an odd group. Our passion for flying and travel keep us taking what no other professional would. When we sign for the airplane, we take on responsibilities not grasped by the general public. We gladly accept living a statisticaly shorter life. We know that we will be forced to retire before we can get a Social Security pay out. Because we fly, we must be cheating on our spouses. And thanks to the "Wal-Mart" mentality, we should be happy with a regressive pay scale.
So, why do we attack our peers, when we have the odds and opinions agains us? Are we adults or are we a bunch of kids fighting over who is mom's favorite?
See you in the air patch!
Ours is the only profession, where you are punished if you change employers, either by your own volition or under duress. You can be punished for staying, too.
Yes, I have been notified, that my services were not needed four times. Restructuring, policy changes, and bankruptcy have been causal factors. When you step onto the property, you have no real idea what will happen to your aviation career. I knew and worked with former Pan Am and Eastern captains, while working for a foreign carrier. I know guys that took a chance at both National and Jet Blue. What about the TWA crewmembers? It is a crap shoot either way.
We are an odd group. Our passion for flying and travel keep us taking what no other professional would. When we sign for the airplane, we take on responsibilities not grasped by the general public. We gladly accept living a statisticaly shorter life. We know that we will be forced to retire before we can get a Social Security pay out. Because we fly, we must be cheating on our spouses. And thanks to the "Wal-Mart" mentality, we should be happy with a regressive pay scale.
So, why do we attack our peers, when we have the odds and opinions agains us? Are we adults or are we a bunch of kids fighting over who is mom's favorite?
See you in the air patch!
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 112
Why is it that it resentment sets in when someone else has a different path to their success? Sour grapes? Why do we each envy the pilot who got a break? We all pay our dues some way. There are those who are lucky and don't realise it. Others work their tails off and have little to show.
Ours is the only profession, where you are punished if you change employers, either by your own volition or under duress. You can be punished for staying, too.
Yes, I have been notified, that my services were not needed four times. Restructuring, policy changes, and bankruptcy have been causal factors. When you step onto the property, you have no real idea what will happen to your aviation career. I knew and worked with former Pan Am and Eastern captains, while working for a foreign carrier. I know guys that took a chance at both National and Jet Blue. What about the TWA crewmembers? It is a crap shoot either way.
We are an odd group. Our passion for flying and travel keep us taking what no other professional would. When we sign for the airplane, we take on responsibilities not grasped by the general public. We gladly accept living a statisticaly shorter life. We know that we will be forced to retire before we can get a Social Security pay out. Because we fly, we must be cheating on our spouses. And thanks to the "Wal-Mart" mentality, we should be happy with a regressive pay scale.
So, why do we attack our peers, when we have the odds and opinions agains us? Are we adults or are we a bunch of kids fighting over who is mom's favorite?
See you in the air patch!
Ours is the only profession, where you are punished if you change employers, either by your own volition or under duress. You can be punished for staying, too.
Yes, I have been notified, that my services were not needed four times. Restructuring, policy changes, and bankruptcy have been causal factors. When you step onto the property, you have no real idea what will happen to your aviation career. I knew and worked with former Pan Am and Eastern captains, while working for a foreign carrier. I know guys that took a chance at both National and Jet Blue. What about the TWA crewmembers? It is a crap shoot either way.
We are an odd group. Our passion for flying and travel keep us taking what no other professional would. When we sign for the airplane, we take on responsibilities not grasped by the general public. We gladly accept living a statisticaly shorter life. We know that we will be forced to retire before we can get a Social Security pay out. Because we fly, we must be cheating on our spouses. And thanks to the "Wal-Mart" mentality, we should be happy with a regressive pay scale.
So, why do we attack our peers, when we have the odds and opinions agains us? Are we adults or are we a bunch of kids fighting over who is mom's favorite?
See you in the air patch!
GREAT post! I agree!
#18
Duvie you must be a 21st century "sensitive man". That was just light hearted humor. I say worse to the Lieutenant Females in my C-17 reserve unit and even they can laugh without getting defensive. My "newness" is probably due to only having 8000 hrs jet time when most of the old-timers are approaching 20,000 hrs. Or I guess "newness" is due to the fact I have only been furloughed once from a legacy carrier. Or maybe even due to that my wife and I have managed to avoid divorce (remember you are not a real airline pilot until you have been furloughed and divorced). I assume "newness" is a relative term.
My teenager thinks I am as old as dinosaurs, he will chuckle with "you getting all up in my grill".
Sorry, I was all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
My teenager thinks I am as old as dinosaurs, he will chuckle with "you getting all up in my grill".
Sorry, I was all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not Socrates, but I come here for intelligent discusion about our profession. When I want to engage in senseless entertainment I'll watch family guy or go to the bar.
#19
do what u have to do....that's all...don't worry about what people say on this forum...who cares?...do what u have to...but don't ***** when u r making minimum wage doing the same job i do
Last edited by CaptainMark; 02-21-2007 at 01:20 PM.
#20
Well what else am I supposed to do? What else is the majority of regional pilots supposed to do? Are you saying that we are expected to lay our careers down for the privileged major airline guys? I can see that it is the way that every scab thinks. It is about survival.
Most of us don't have a choice if we expect to have a career at all.
SkyHigh
Most of us don't have a choice if we expect to have a career at all.
SkyHigh
Go to a cargo operator. Go overseas. Get a second job to make ends meet. When I started at my airline we had a 5 year B scale. I flew for the Reserves to pay my bills. I averaged a day and a half off a month.
But, I didn't go to a non-Union scumbag airline that was undercutting Union contract. That's because I knew to do so was to stab the profession in the back.
If you do that, you'd better pray there isn't someone like me sitting on your interview board. Because you'll get shown the door lickety split.
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