Delta and Northwest close to merger deal
#31
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Why don't Delta pilots say no to merger?
I am a Delta new hire, Mar 3rd class date. I now have a very vested interest in the future of Delta. I don't really know what life will look like if we merge. But, I am almost certain it will good if we do not. With Delta experiencing lots of growth with no end in site. I have a couple questions for Delta guys.
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?
Thanks for your thoughts
Cheers
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?
Thanks for your thoughts
Cheers
#32
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 181
Not to mention between the 2 companies they plan on hiring 700+ pilots in 2008. So IF they needed to furlough it would be a wash because all they would have to do is stop hiring and it would be a wash. Thats saying they needed to furlough 700+ pilots = unlikely. Very little overlap, retirements, growth should equal no furloughs.
#33
There probably isn't a big threat of immediate furloughs if the merger happens. But, mergers typically add a lot of debt to the balance sheet, and when the payments start coming due, watch out. 2-3 years down the road, anyone in the bottom 10% better have a backup plan.
Of course, having a good back-up plan is always a good idea in this business. Flew with a lot of former Eastern guys at NWA that convinced me to keep my military reserve job. Those guys saved my butt when 9/11 happened.
Of course, having a good back-up plan is always a good idea in this business. Flew with a lot of former Eastern guys at NWA that convinced me to keep my military reserve job. Those guys saved my butt when 9/11 happened.
#34
I am a Delta new hire, Mar 3rd class date. I now have a very vested interest in the future of Delta. I don't really know what life will look like if we merge. But, I am almost certain it will good if we do not. With Delta experiencing lots of growth with no end in site. I have a couple questions for Delta guys.
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?
Thanks for your thoughts
Cheers
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?
Thanks for your thoughts
Cheers
(2) "Why don`t pilots say they don`t want to merge" that`s about as realistic as you standing on a set of railroad tracks and say "I don`t want the train to hit me".
(3) a good idea, but a waste of a 41 cent stamp.
Sorry if this isn`t what you want to hear, but after 30 years in this business, I guess I`m just too jaded.
#35
(1)Scope....a part of the pilots contract that says something like: Delta pilots will do all of the flying for this company in any aircraft above____ number of seats.
(2) "Why don`t pilots say they don`t want to merge" that`s about as realistic as you standing on a set of railroad tracks and say "I don`t want the train to hit me".
(3) a good idea, but a waste of a 41 cent stamp.
Sorry if this isn`t what you want to hear, but after 30 years in this business, I guess I`m just too jaded.
(2) "Why don`t pilots say they don`t want to merge" that`s about as realistic as you standing on a set of railroad tracks and say "I don`t want the train to hit me".
(3) a good idea, but a waste of a 41 cent stamp.
Sorry if this isn`t what you want to hear, but after 30 years in this business, I guess I`m just too jaded.
FF
#36
I am a Delta new hire, Mar 3rd class date. I now have a very vested interest in the future of Delta. I don't really know what life will look like if we merge. But, I am almost certain it will good if we do not. With Delta experiencing lots of growth with no end in site. I have a couple questions for Delta guys.
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
The Delta pilot scope clause is the very first section of our contract. It is 25 pages of single spaced very small type. It is complex and controversial. Even if you read the 25 pages you won't really understand exactly what's going on until you've been around the industry for a little while.
Basically it tries to make the company generate their revenue using pilots from the Delta Seniority List on as many flights as possible. Of course, the company wants maximum freedom to generate revenue using regional pilots and foreign pilots whenever it suits them and whenever they can find pilots who will do the job for lower pay and benefits. This whole process is called "code-sharing". Some of it we allow and some of it we don't.
My advice to you is study your airplane manual and not the scope clause. That will come in due time. Enjoy your new hire training without worrying about union politics or merger scenarios.
As they're fond of saying over there in the schoolhouse whenever you ask a question that can't be answered quickly or easily; - "You'll get that on the line".
#37
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Posts: 416
tedspal-
The Delta pilot scope clause is the very first section of our contract. It is 25 pages of single spaced very small type. It is complex and controversial. Even if you read the 25 pages you won't really understand exactly what's going on until you've been around the industry for a little while.
Basically it tries to make the company generate their revenue using pilots from the Delta Seniority List on as many flights as possible. Of course, the company wants maximum freedom to generate revenue using regional pilots and foreign pilots whenever it suits them and whenever they can find pilots who will do the job for lower pay and benefits. This whole process is called "code-sharing". Some of it we allow and some of it we don't.
My advice to you is study your airplane manual and not the scope clause. That will come in due time. Enjoy your new hire training without worrying about union politics or merger scenarios.
As they're fond of saying over there in the schoolhouse whenever you ask a question that can't be answered quickly or easily; - "You'll get that on the line".
The Delta pilot scope clause is the very first section of our contract. It is 25 pages of single spaced very small type. It is complex and controversial. Even if you read the 25 pages you won't really understand exactly what's going on until you've been around the industry for a little while.
Basically it tries to make the company generate their revenue using pilots from the Delta Seniority List on as many flights as possible. Of course, the company wants maximum freedom to generate revenue using regional pilots and foreign pilots whenever it suits them and whenever they can find pilots who will do the job for lower pay and benefits. This whole process is called "code-sharing". Some of it we allow and some of it we don't.
My advice to you is study your airplane manual and not the scope clause. That will come in due time. Enjoy your new hire training without worrying about union politics or merger scenarios.
As they're fond of saying over there in the schoolhouse whenever you ask a question that can't be answered quickly or easily; - "You'll get that on the line".
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#39
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I am a Delta new hire, Mar 3rd class date. I now have a very vested interest in the future of Delta. I don't really know what life will look like if we merge. But, I am almost certain it will good if we do not. With Delta experiencing lots of growth with no end in site. I have a couple questions for Delta guys.
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?
Thanks for your thoughts
Cheers
1. I have heard the Delta pilot union has a large scope, what is this scope?
2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?
3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?
Thanks for your thoughts
Cheers
#40
That is probably going to be the most accurate statement when this merger is all over. I'm sure the seniority list negotiations will involve all pre 9/11 pilots getting ratioed. After that the 07/08 hires will get DOH at the bottom of the other list. I didn't want to go to NWA because career progession was much better at DAL. We'll see how it shakes out, but I'd rather just not have to worry about a merger and have Delta stay Delta. Now if we can get rid of the hats in a merger, then I'm all for it!
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