American Merger?
#21
Nice dodge. Fli Fast you really do twist things.
I have no problem with someone from TWA senior to my date of hire flying CA. I just will not keep reading posts by you that try to convince internet readers that all of TWA was stapled.
And that you want revenge.
This is how you conduct yourself on the internet. You make an inflamatory post and then come back later and act as if you are the calming voice of reason.
I will take you to task every time you try to tell/write that ALL of TWA was stapled.
I have no problem with someone from TWA senior to my date of hire flying CA. I just will not keep reading posts by you that try to convince internet readers that all of TWA was stapled.
And that you want revenge.
This is how you conduct yourself on the internet. You make an inflamatory post and then come back later and act as if you are the calming voice of reason.
I will take you to task every time you try to tell/write that ALL of TWA was stapled.
#22
7576FO,
I apologize for wishing upon you what you did to us.
Did you or did you not post this in posting #10:
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Fli Fast you are such a LIAR.
1, Me 93' hire at AA, over 800 TWA's Captains senior to me flying captain.
2. They were never furloughed.
3. God knows how many junior to me flying captain at AA.
4. Most TWA pilots hired after 1986 were ratio'd into AA seniority at 8 to 1.
I do not consider that a staple.
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Well my friend.
1. Not true only 338 redtails flying as Capt as of 1/31/08 3XP. Only 100-150 of them senior to you on the combined AA/TWA list. period.
2. True, they were protected by Supp CC.
3. If you ask God or AA H.R Dept, or anyone else the most junior TWA Capt is a 1988 hire you are a 93 hire. Only one so far has been recalled as a Capt she took vol. furlough but was a 1986 hire.
4. After 1986 our next hirees were in 1988 then 1989. Our staple point was mid 1989 with a pilot with the initial R.C. So yes, we had one year's worth of pilots after 1986 that were slotted 1 to 8, the rest starting with pilots hired mid 1989 to 2000 were all stapled after B.D. W. (NAAtive pilot).
Secondly, please please please quote me where I said ALL of TWA was stapled.
Post #14 has a breakdown of who went where. I'd be happy to re-post.
Again, I ask are you senior to sen#8840. This will dispel your claim above, that 800 TWA Capts are senior to you are flying now.
And explain, how did Capts at a separate entity in 2001 (TWA LLC) affect your seniority. This is a little off course even for you. It's like saying that Capts at Delta are affecting your seniority.
Just the facts, I always encourage you to do the same. I'm not out to convince anybody of anything the facts above speak for themself.
Regards,
FF
I apologize for wishing upon you what you did to us.
Did you or did you not post this in posting #10:
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Fli Fast you are such a LIAR.
1, Me 93' hire at AA, over 800 TWA's Captains senior to me flying captain.
2. They were never furloughed.
3. God knows how many junior to me flying captain at AA.
4. Most TWA pilots hired after 1986 were ratio'd into AA seniority at 8 to 1.
I do not consider that a staple.
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Well my friend.
1. Not true only 338 redtails flying as Capt as of 1/31/08 3XP. Only 100-150 of them senior to you on the combined AA/TWA list. period.
2. True, they were protected by Supp CC.
3. If you ask God or AA H.R Dept, or anyone else the most junior TWA Capt is a 1988 hire you are a 93 hire. Only one so far has been recalled as a Capt she took vol. furlough but was a 1986 hire.
4. After 1986 our next hirees were in 1988 then 1989. Our staple point was mid 1989 with a pilot with the initial R.C. So yes, we had one year's worth of pilots after 1986 that were slotted 1 to 8, the rest starting with pilots hired mid 1989 to 2000 were all stapled after B.D. W. (NAAtive pilot).
Secondly, please please please quote me where I said ALL of TWA was stapled.
Post #14 has a breakdown of who went where. I'd be happy to re-post.
Again, I ask are you senior to sen#8840. This will dispel your claim above, that 800 TWA Capts are senior to you are flying now.
And explain, how did Capts at a separate entity in 2001 (TWA LLC) affect your seniority. This is a little off course even for you. It's like saying that Capts at Delta are affecting your seniority.
Just the facts, I always encourage you to do the same. I'm not out to convince anybody of anything the facts above speak for themself.
Regards,
FF
Last edited by FliFast; 02-13-2008 at 12:32 PM.
#23
I just read an interesting article on just this topic...
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...FREE&cm_ite=NA
Anybody think there's any credibility on the USAir-AMR merger? It's an interesting combo I hadn't heard anything about before......just more food for thought till something actually happens (if it happens at all).
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...FREE&cm_ite=NA
Anybody think there's any credibility on the USAir-AMR merger? It's an interesting combo I hadn't heard anything about before......just more food for thought till something actually happens (if it happens at all).
#24
I just read an interesting article on just this topic...
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...FREE&cm_ite=NA
Anybody think there's any credibility on the USAir-AMR merger? It's an interesting combo I hadn't heard anything about before......just more food for thought till something actually happens (if it happens at all).
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...FREE&cm_ite=NA
Anybody think there's any credibility on the USAir-AMR merger? It's an interesting combo I hadn't heard anything about before......just more food for thought till something actually happens (if it happens at all).
#25
7576FO,
I apologize for wishing upon you what you did to us.
Did you or did you not post this in posting #10:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fli Fast you are such a LIAR.
1, Me 93' hire at AA, over 800 TWA's Captains senior to me flying captain.
2. They were never furloughed.
3. God knows how many junior to me flying captain at AA.
4. Most TWA pilots hired after 1986 were ratio'd into AA seniority at 8 to 1.
I do not consider that a staple.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well my friend.
1. Not true only 338 redtails flying as Capt as of 1/31/08 3XP. Only 100-150 of them senior to you on the combined AA/TWA list. period.
2. True, they were protected by Supp CC.
3. If you ask God or AA H.R Dept, or anyone else the most junior TWA Capt is a 1988 hire you are a 93 hire. Only one so far has been recalled as a Capt she took vol. furlough but was a 1986 hire.
4. After 1986 our next hirees were in 1988 then 1989. Our staple point was mid 1989 with a pilot with the initial R.C. So yes, we had one year's worth of pilots after 1986 that were slotted 1 to 8, the rest starting with pilots hired mid 1989 to 2000 were all stapled after B.D. W. (NAAtive pilot).
Secondly, please please please quote me where I said ALL of TWA was stapled.
Post #14 has a breakdown of who went where. I'd be happy to re-post.
Again, I ask are you senior to sen#8840. This will dispel your claim above, that 800 TWA Capts are senior to you are flying now.
And explain, how did Capts at a separate entity in 2001 (TWA LLC) affect your seniority. This is a little off course even for you. It's like saying that Capts at Delta are affecting your seniority.
Just the facts, I always encourage you to do the same. I'm not out to convince anybody of anything the facts above speak for themself.
Regards,
FF
I apologize for wishing upon you what you did to us.
Did you or did you not post this in posting #10:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fli Fast you are such a LIAR.
1, Me 93' hire at AA, over 800 TWA's Captains senior to me flying captain.
2. They were never furloughed.
3. God knows how many junior to me flying captain at AA.
4. Most TWA pilots hired after 1986 were ratio'd into AA seniority at 8 to 1.
I do not consider that a staple.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well my friend.
1. Not true only 338 redtails flying as Capt as of 1/31/08 3XP. Only 100-150 of them senior to you on the combined AA/TWA list. period.
2. True, they were protected by Supp CC.
3. If you ask God or AA H.R Dept, or anyone else the most junior TWA Capt is a 1988 hire you are a 93 hire. Only one so far has been recalled as a Capt she took vol. furlough but was a 1986 hire.
4. After 1986 our next hirees were in 1988 then 1989. Our staple point was mid 1989 with a pilot with the initial R.C. So yes, we had one year's worth of pilots after 1986 that were slotted 1 to 8, the rest starting with pilots hired mid 1989 to 2000 were all stapled after B.D. W. (NAAtive pilot).
Secondly, please please please quote me where I said ALL of TWA was stapled.
Post #14 has a breakdown of who went where. I'd be happy to re-post.
Again, I ask are you senior to sen#8840. This will dispel your claim above, that 800 TWA Capts are senior to you are flying now.
And explain, how did Capts at a separate entity in 2001 (TWA LLC) affect your seniority. This is a little off course even for you. It's like saying that Capts at Delta are affecting your seniority.
Just the facts, I always encourage you to do the same. I'm not out to convince anybody of anything the facts above speak for themself.
Regards,
FF
Using you words of TWA being stapled then why did so many CA's from TWA come in ahead of me.
I am very aware of supplement CC. And generally it does not affect me.
I just will not let you post on and on about how TWA was stapled.
They were not.
I still disagree, 1988-1989 TWA gets a CA seat in St Louis.
10 STL 767I CA's ex TWA
271 STL S80 CA's ex TWA
55 or so TWA S80 FO's in STL
I have no problem whatsoever with 1988-1989 CA's that are EX TWA. they have 19-20 years in and certainly deserve to be CA's.
Aside from the most junior TWA pilots, I do not see the Staple.
And to be totally honest, in 2001 I do not remember exactly how many TWA CA's came in senior to me. It might have been between 600+ to 800.
Again why are you carrying a grudge for the Ozark pilots that happened years before you went to High School Prom?
Grow up.
7576
#26
Fli Fasts words copied from page 1 of this thread.
No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.
No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.
#27
#8880 STL CA ex TWA 7 October 1988 more to follow.
Again I do not have any problem with any and every Ex TWA pilot that is DOH senior to me being a CA.
If TWA was stapled as FliFast's own words suggest, then why are so many CA's senior to me?
More furloughee's will return to the left seat in STL. I have no problem with that. If you have 17 + years in then you deserve to be a CA.
My problem here is FliFast is constantly using his hatred for APA and AA to promote his views.
Several threads FF's jealousy of even the Ozark pilots is indicative of this mans temperament.
Many TWA junior pilots were stapled to the bottom of AA's list.
Many were not.
Those are the facts.
Again I do not have any problem with any and every Ex TWA pilot that is DOH senior to me being a CA.
If TWA was stapled as FliFast's own words suggest, then why are so many CA's senior to me?
More furloughee's will return to the left seat in STL. I have no problem with that. If you have 17 + years in then you deserve to be a CA.
My problem here is FliFast is constantly using his hatred for APA and AA to promote his views.
Several threads FF's jealousy of even the Ozark pilots is indicative of this mans temperament.
Many TWA junior pilots were stapled to the bottom of AA's list.
Many were not.
Those are the facts.
#28
More FliFast's words
And you talk about the Capt that was slotted in as a 1986 hire, guess what he was hired in 1961. How old were you in 1961 ?
If a TWA pilot was hired at TWA in 1961 he would have had to retire in the year 2000 before the AA merger.
Any more conspiracy theories?
Seriously?
Did APA scratch your car?
And you talk about the Capt that was slotted in as a 1986 hire, guess what he was hired in 1961. How old were you in 1961 ?
If a TWA pilot was hired at TWA in 1961 he would have had to retire in the year 2000 before the AA merger.
Any more conspiracy theories?
Seriously?
Did APA scratch your car?
#29
More FliFast's words
And you talk about the Capt that was slotted in as a 1986 hire, guess what he was hired in 1961. How old were you in 1961 ?
If a TWA pilot was hired at TWA in 1961 he would have had to retire in the year 2000 before the AA merger.
Any more conspiracy theories?
Seriously?
Did APA scratch your car?
And you talk about the Capt that was slotted in as a 1986 hire, guess what he was hired in 1961. How old were you in 1961 ?
If a TWA pilot was hired at TWA in 1961 he would have had to retire in the year 2000 before the AA merger.
Any more conspiracy theories?
Seriously?
Did APA scratch your car?
Why would someone who was 59 years old with 39 years of service have to retire in 2000 ???
Yes, I was the shooter on the grassy knoll.
Let me look at your other postings, then I'll give you the last word...
#30
Fli Fasts words copied from page 1 of this thread.
No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.
No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.
The pilot group only 65% were to the bottom, my apologies.
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