Thoughts on how planned Delta/NWA merger will change Republic
02-24-2008, 09:01 AM
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Anyone who wants to see ANY regional flying bigger planes under a Legacies banner is a MORON. Hopefully NWA/DAL lock down Scope in the merger and finally put a stop to giving away mainline jobs.
Compass Cant be sold to anyone unless a number of things happen per the contract. So dont expect Republic to buy compass anytime soon. I could see Compass and Mesaba combining with Comair though. All wholly owned companies being put into one large company and headquartered in MSP which would get around the MSP 445 million payback by NWA for moving headquarters.
Compass Cant be sold to anyone unless a number of things happen per the contract. So dont expect Republic to buy compass anytime soon. I could see Compass and Mesaba combining with Comair though. All wholly owned companies being put into one large company and headquartered in MSP which would get around the MSP 445 million payback by NWA for moving headquarters.
02-24-2008, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Anyone who wants to see ANY regional flying bigger planes under a Legacies banner is a MORON. Hopefully NWA/DAL lock down Scope in the merger and finally put a stop to giving away mainline jobs.
Compass Cant be sold to anyone unless a number of things happen per the contract. So dont expect Republic to buy compass anytime soon. I could see Compass and Mesaba combining with Comair though. All wholly owned companies being put into one large company and headquartered in MSP which would get around the MSP 445 million payback by NWA for moving headquarters.
Compass Cant be sold to anyone unless a number of things happen per the contract. So dont expect Republic to buy compass anytime soon. I could see Compass and Mesaba combining with Comair though. All wholly owned companies being put into one large company and headquartered in MSP which would get around the MSP 445 million payback by NWA for moving headquarters.
I do see a potential merger between Compass and Mesaba. Don't know about Comair. Mesaba Compass Holding Corp has already been established. Don't think Comair will be merged but it may be held under the same Msaba Compass Holding or it may be sold later but definitely not to RAH. Don't see that happening. It is more likely Comair is merged with Skywest or even XJT but not with Mesaba or Compass.
02-24-2008, 09:40 AM
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http://www.aviationplanning.com/Predictions2008.htm
Kind of a long read, but worth the time...very relavent to this thread.
Kind of a long read, but worth the time...very relavent to this thread.
02-24-2008, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
Without name calling, I do agree with you there. That was the point I was trying get across apparently without any success. I do hope NWA/DAL has a lock down SCOPE CLAUSE preventing any further erosion of scope clause. More bigger RJs at regional level is a bad news for anyone trying to move up to the majors.
I do see a potential merger between Compass and Mesaba. Don't know about Comair. Mesaba Compass Holding Corp has already been established. Don't think Comair will be merged but it may be held under the same Msaba Compass Holding or it may be sold later but definitely not to RAH. Don't see that happening. It is more likely Comair is merged with Skywest or even XJT but not with Mesaba or Compass.
I do see a potential merger between Compass and Mesaba. Don't know about Comair. Mesaba Compass Holding Corp has already been established. Don't think Comair will be merged but it may be held under the same Msaba Compass Holding or it may be sold later but definitely not to RAH. Don't see that happening. It is more likely Comair is merged with Skywest or even XJT but not with Mesaba or Compass.
Well i wasnt calling any specific person a moron i was just making a point. The only reason i mentioned Comair getting mixed in is because i just dont see any other regional buying comair right now. And if they can keep a headquarters in MSP they will save alot of money.
02-24-2008, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Well i wasnt calling any specific person a moron i was just making a point. The only reason i mentioned Comair getting mixed in is because i just dont see any other regional buying comair right now. And if they can keep a headquarters in MSP they will save alot of money.
I do see your point but problem is Comair is headquartered out of CVG if I am not mistaken. I suppose Comair can be mover to MSP but how feasible is that and would Comair pilot go for that? I doubt it. I have heard rumors that Comair might be merged under the Mesaba Compass Holding Corp but it is just a rumor the moment.
02-24-2008, 12:07 PM
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Mainline management will fight hard to prevent any one "regional" from getting too big. They are very interested in playing one against the other to keep wages low. Of course the comair strike taught them to spread the contracts over several smaller companies as well. They wouldn't want any one carrier's strike to be able to shut them down. I don't see how any mainline merger will change any of that.
02-24-2008, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
http://www.aviationplanning.com/Predictions2008.htm
Kind of a long read, but worth the time...very relavent to this thread.
Kind of a long read, but worth the time...very relavent to this thread.
Yeah, that was interesting. If you read my eariler post I said the majors are unlikely to allow any one regional to get too big.
I just hope I move onto the Majors before the crunch comes.
02-24-2008, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
Wasn't pickin a fight just thinking 10 planes is not going to send the shuttle training department scrambling. I really don't know much about what goes on over there though. I have not seen much growth so I am guessing they needed to back fill the slots.
Word on the street at RW is 190's for Airways and Delta, 170/5's for CAL, Compass will be bought once they get airframe number 10, Orlando base to come, CLT is not going to happen since they opened CMH as a maintance base.
I've heard the classes have about 60 new hires each but from talking to check pilots a lot of the low timers <500hrs are not making it through. An entire crj class failed out at CHQ.
I'd have to say the addition of check pilots is not only for new airplanes but attrition as well.
Word on the street at RW is 190's for Airways and Delta, 170/5's for CAL, Compass will be bought once they get airframe number 10, Orlando base to come, CLT is not going to happen since they opened CMH as a maintance base.
I've heard the classes have about 60 new hires each but from talking to check pilots a lot of the low timers <500hrs are not making it through. An entire crj class failed out at CHQ.
I'd have to say the addition of check pilots is not only for new airplanes but attrition as well.
190's for Airways and Delta would take scope concessions that aren't on paper at either carrier.
170/5's for CAL, same thing, scope restricted.
Compass is not like Mid-Atlantic. There is slightly different language in there where DC-9 replacements must be at mainline before Compass can be sold.
Orlando? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA No. Don't listen to the displaced CHQ MCO pilots who hold on to the pipe dream of an Orlando base. MCO has been rumored to open again since the day it closed.
CMH instead of CLT does hold water, that is the case. Although CLT is opening as a line MX base.
There is no ramping up of adding check airmen at RW right now, new check airmen are replacing the J4J ones on their way back to Airways.
02-24-2008, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Holy Toledo
10 planes does create quite a few training events.
190's for Airways and Delta would take scope concessions that aren't on paper at either carrier.
170/5's for CAL, same thing, scope restricted.
Compass is not like Mid-Atlantic. There is slightly different language in there where DC-9 replacements must be at mainline before Compass can be sold.
Orlando? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA No. Don't listen to the displaced CHQ MCO pilots who hold on to the pipe dream of an Orlando base. MCO has been rumored to open again since the day it closed.
CMH instead of CLT does hold water, that is the case. Although CLT is opening as a line MX base.
There is no ramping up of adding check airmen at RW right now, new check airmen are replacing the J4J ones on their way back to Airways.
190's for Airways and Delta would take scope concessions that aren't on paper at either carrier.
170/5's for CAL, same thing, scope restricted.
Compass is not like Mid-Atlantic. There is slightly different language in there where DC-9 replacements must be at mainline before Compass can be sold.
Orlando? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA No. Don't listen to the displaced CHQ MCO pilots who hold on to the pipe dream of an Orlando base. MCO has been rumored to open again since the day it closed.
CMH instead of CLT does hold water, that is the case. Although CLT is opening as a line MX base.
There is no ramping up of adding check airmen at RW right now, new check airmen are replacing the J4J ones on their way back to Airways.
We cant have that!! 
02-24-2008, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by xkuzme1
I hope that it will put CHQ out of business along with all the other regonals.
ALL 70 seat jets should be flown at mainline airlines.
ALL 50 seat jets should be flown at mainline airlines.
Until 37, 50, 70, 76, 86, 90 seat jets are at main line airlines, nobody will have the careers that we all expect and most of us (except Go Jets) deserve.
I fly a 50 seat jet. I like my company, I like the airplane, but without a doubt I deserve more pay for what I do. We all do.
JO invented the "Regional Airline". How can any one of us be proud to follow in those footsteps.
If fly for ExpressJet. We have our problems just like any airline. I feel so strongly about this, that I commute 1000 miles out of my way to fly our "Branded" Mainline flights. That flying may succeed and it may not, but it feels good to know that I am not subcontracting anymore. I am not taking away a mainline seat. We are all a product of the way things are, but no one is trying to change it.
We have got to get out of this "I'm gonna get my 1000 PIC and move on" mentaility.
Rant over, but you wanted an opinion, well you may have got more than you asked for.
X
ALL 70 seat jets should be flown at mainline airlines.
ALL 50 seat jets should be flown at mainline airlines.
Until 37, 50, 70, 76, 86, 90 seat jets are at main line airlines, nobody will have the careers that we all expect and most of us (except Go Jets) deserve.
I fly a 50 seat jet. I like my company, I like the airplane, but without a doubt I deserve more pay for what I do. We all do.
JO invented the "Regional Airline". How can any one of us be proud to follow in those footsteps.
If fly for ExpressJet. We have our problems just like any airline. I feel so strongly about this, that I commute 1000 miles out of my way to fly our "Branded" Mainline flights. That flying may succeed and it may not, but it feels good to know that I am not subcontracting anymore. I am not taking away a mainline seat. We are all a product of the way things are, but no one is trying to change it.
We have got to get out of this "I'm gonna get my 1000 PIC and move on" mentaility.
Rant over, but you wanted an opinion, well you may have got more than you asked for.
X
Not a bad post. But J.L. Seaborn invented the regional airline. JO could not carry his jock. But you are probably not old enough to know better.
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