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Old 03-01-2008, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch View Post
I will put it this way, if the tables were turned and you had the older pilot group, you would be pushing for DOH. Each group is trying to protect their career and I respect that, we've all put in a ton of money and hard work to get here, it is worth fighting for. With that said, if we cannot work it out amicably then we should head our separate ways.
Delta is the buyer...

Originally Posted by capncrunch View Post
Maybe we come back to the table in ten years(once all the NWA retirements have gone through) and we'll be happy to discuss relative seniority. Until then we may have to agree to disagree.
I bet NWA outta business in 5 years with out this merger...
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:56 AM
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Easy, son. Clearly you don't know much and your argument sounds more like something from FI. Run along and argue with those kids, this is a discussion for adults.
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JiffyLube View Post
Delta is the buyer...



I bet NWA outta business in 5 years with out this merger...

There is NO buyer, it's a MERGER. And if I were you I'd worry about AMR.
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JiffyLube View Post
Delta is the buyer...



I bet NWA outta business in 5 years with out this merger...

Jiffy,


Nope. It's a stock swap. (or, was)

OOah. I see, nevermind. You don't even know what your're talking about.

Please close the side of you neck. Thanks.
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Old 03-01-2008, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JiffyLube View Post
Delta is the buyer...



I bet NWA outta business in 5 years with out this merger...
Honestly, this is why I read these threads...I need a laugh every once in a while.....
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Old 03-01-2008, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood View Post
It's an idea, but I don't think the manegement would look at this favorably.. It'll be impossible to create any sort of comradory and team work atmosphere with such double numbering. HR guys will freak out.

Just my 2 cents
I don't see where the comaraderie would be a big problem. Guys should be happy that they kept what they came in with and wouldn't feel like the guys from the other side got the better deal.
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Old 03-01-2008, 10:44 AM
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What about the other side of the coin - aircraft retirements? Do the NW guys lose 10 numbers with each DC-9 that gets parked and will DAL pilots lose 10 mumbers for every '88 that gets parked?
That is another good point and could be easily administered as part of the seniority plan. What about new AC deliveries? Firm orders on the books raise the seniority of the pilots of their pre-merger airline. Options and future growth don't impact the list.

The SLI plan is complete. Let's get this show on the road. Tomorrow's press release "NWA and DAL have sloved the SLI mystery on APC Merger's and Acquisition's Forum"
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post
What about giving the DAL guys credit for their retirements in 10 years, when the DAL retirements not only match, but EXCEED the NWA retirements. When making the "we have more retirements argument" the time frame of the argument is critical.

Each month a pilot's seniority number changes, so here's an idea. Merge the two lists together now by a ratio. If you are at NWA or Delta at 50%, you are at 50% at Delta. When a former NWA pilot retires, all NWA move up one. When a former Delta pilot retires, all Delta move up one number. Over next 5 years, the NWA guys would gain ground on a relative seniority basis. At some point between 5-10 years, the Delta guys gain ground and actually move ahead.

It's a simple plan that I could administer on a PDA spreadsheet. It protects seniority on both sides and isn't a windfall to either side. It's 100% fair from day one to year 30. Nobody moves initially and each group takes advantage of their pre merger retirement expectations. Put up a couple 2-5 year fences and everyone is happy. Now can we get on with this merger and start making some money.
well then I think nwa management should just offer a lump sum buy out to the pilots that want to go, increase hiring to back fill the loss of pilots and then do a ratio like the delta pilots want. this of course would have to happen before the merger date...

one flaw with your plan that I can see. if the nwa pilots moved up more quickly in the next 10 years could they not grab the captain slots that open up and prevent openings in the future when deltas retirements kick in...
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Old 03-01-2008, 12:18 PM
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[quote=capncrunch; I will tell you this, if we wait until the retirements go through and then merge the lists, I would be a lot better off in ten years than I would be today.

Just as important is the question "If the deal does not go through altogether will you be better of in 10 years?" Apparantly some NW Pilots think the answer to this question is no, but from what I am hearing its too late - who knows? What the hell is ALPA Watch anyway?

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Northwest pilots hold out hope for Delta deal

By JIM THARPE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/28/08

A group of Northwest Airlines pilots was still holding out hope Thursday that a merger with Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines is possible.

The group, ALPA Watch, posted a statement on its Web site updating pilots on merger talks between Delta and Northwest to create the world's largest airline.

The talks are apparently on hold as leaders of the unions for the carriers' 11,000 pilots attempt to work out how their seniority lists would be combined under a single carrier.

"Seniority list integration remains the sticking point," according to a merger update posted on the Web site for the ALPA Watch, a group that says it monitors the Air Line Pilots Association unit for Northwest pilots. "However, it is still possible that this issue can be worked out, thus providing a good deal for all, NWA(Northwest) and DAL(Delta).

"That would be best because failure to do so will probably mean a great loss of economic opportunity for all. For now, stay informed, and as the messages from our leaders say, be patient."

The Associated Press, citing a person with knowledge of the situation, also reported Thursday that Northwest pilots continue to seek a solution to the stalled talks with Delta pilots, and that they're not under a line to make a deal.

The ALPA Watch Web site does not elaborate, and pilots connected with the site declined comment in a telephone interview.

ALPA Watch describes itself as "a grassroots organization created by everyday NWA line-pilots for the purpose of helping NWA ALPA restore the fair compensation, quality of life, the future, and the dignity of all NWA Pilots. ALPAWatch is here to make certain that the NWA ALPA leadership focuses on its primary responsibility, 'To protect and enhance the careers of Northwest Airlines Pilots.' "

The ALPA Watch posting comes as the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported Thursday that the pilots unions for the two airlines have not met since Feb. 21.

The two carriers have apparently agreed to major provisions of a merger, but want to get pilots on board before finalizing an agreement. The merger could proceed without a pilots' agreement, but labor problems have helped derail proposed airline mergers in the past.
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Old 03-01-2008, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton View Post
if the nwa pilots moved up more quickly in the next 10 years could they not grab the captain slots that open up and prevent openings in the future when deltas retirements kick in...

The funny thing is if we did have the big chunk of retirements like Delta, probably everyone would be comfortable with DOH....

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