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Old 02-26-2008, 03:27 PM
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I think it's a great idea. NWA pilots don't need DAL. A 30% raise is not worth 30 years of misappropriated seniority.
Whose seniority is being misappropriated? Your's or mine? By DOH it's mine. I don't think we need NWA to expand in the Pacific either. I say let's compete and may the better airline win. At this point, it could go either way. Better to be friendly rivals than bitter partners.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
I say let's compete and may the better airline win. At this point, it could go either way. Better to be friendly rivals than bitter partners.
Well said! Thanks for the link above.
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Old 02-26-2008, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow View Post
I think it's a great idea. NWA pilots don't need DAL. A 30% raise is not worth 30 years of misappropriated seniority.

In 5 years we will have been better of going it alone unless we get DOH.

If they don't like it, I understand. I will lead the charge with a pin on my lapel.

Agreed - a 30% raise for you isn't worth 30 years of misappropriated seniority for me.
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The posting in MSP paper is the same BS. Here is a link:

http://www.startribune.com/local/15996522.html
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
Is that why your merger committee would rather go to arbitration?
Just another part of the negotiation... News reports (who knows if they are accurate) say that DALPA doesn't want arbitration. Apparently our negotiating committee thinks they have a pretty good case to present to an arbitrator.

DALPA has a better contract that NWAALPA, no doubt, but that doesn't necessarily make us the ugly girl at the dance. DAL is the one that came looking for a partner. This is definitely not a case of an aquiring airline saving a carrier on the verge of going out of business. NWA's profit margins have beaten DAL's (and every one else's) since bankruptcy. No reason for us to rush into a substandard deal, and no reason for an arbitrator to give us the USAir treatment.
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DALPA has a better contract that NWAALPA, no doubt, but that doesn't necessarily make us the ugly girl at the dance. DAL is the one that came looking for a partner.
It is time to say the right words to the Prom Queen or Delta will be going home solo. The Prom Queen can always stroll over the the other side of the dance floor and take home the dark horse(Alaska Air). She'll have dominance of the West and own Asia with that feeder. The DC9 may be an old broom but we'll be the Wicked Witch of the West if we make that move. It's time to sweet talk us or look out.....
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Old 02-26-2008, 06:27 PM
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[quote=newKnow;328329]I think it's a great idea. NWA pilots don't need DAL. A 30% raise is not worth 30 years of misappropriated seniority.

In 5 years we will have been better of going it alone unless we get DOH.

If they don't like it, I understand. I will lead the charge with a pin on my lapel.

I agree 100%. I don't think too many Delta Pilots pilots want this deal either. After years of parking mainline aircraft we are currently hiring 70- 100 a month with new aircraft arriving arriving. We look at Northwest and see a lot of mainline aircraft that are going to parked. You guys look at DAL and see a lot of young captains with hardly any retirements - lets just all hope this deal falls through - its only designed to enrich the "money men" anyway.
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Old 02-26-2008, 06:37 PM
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I'd say "Keep your Steenland your Steenland!" He hasn't earned a seat in the BOD yet.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:09 PM
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While I don't believe everything I read, it's interesting that they would write this. 12 years gets you close to or actually holding a line on the 767ER as captain..
Bullsh!!t

I have been at DAL 11 years, and we don't have ANY "twelve year" pilots...the last group hired in the early 90s was Jan 92. The next group hired after that (after some years of stagnation and furlough) was October 96. I was fortunate enough to be hired right at the end of 96.

I can not hold 767 captain of any sort anywhere. (Perhaps LAX just from the last bid, but if so it is a very recent novelty).

I could be a VERY junior captain on the 737-800 in NYC, or the absolute plug in ATL, and nowhere else.

I could hold a regular line as MD88 captain in most MD88 bases.

I can just now hold a junior regular line on the 777, and pretty good ones on any other equipment.

Hey, I got hired at a pretty good time, and I'm not complaining about my seniority--it isn't too bad.

But this idea that "12 years at DAL gets you a line as an ER captain" is complete BS from the first syllable to the last.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:17 PM
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Wanting to go into arbitration seems odd, I don't believe that. I do understand both groups arguments and don't see how there will be an agreement that satisfies each one equally. A few years of a pay raise, which NWA will be getting when the contract expires anyway, does not seems worth a career of bad SLI. JMHO

I'm curious. When in the 17 or so years that NW had fences up for the Republic pilots did the union come up with an agreement outside of arbitration? I'm talking about agreements in regard to seniority list/fence issues between Red book and Green book pilots. I haven't heard of one. I think there was about 26 arbitrated decisions during this period.

If this is accurate then it doesn't look like NWALPA knows any other way then arbitration. It's easy to keep from taking the blame on a bad decision when you can blame on the arbitrator.
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