Opus

I guess the real question must be asked will both pilot groups, thus both airlines, be better off in the long run if they combine into one? I don't know. I know if NWA stays alone, as a 12 year 330FO I am going to be moving up the list in the next 5-7 years significantly assuming, that Boeing can produce the 787, where the DAL list is going to be quite stagnant for some time. But will either NWA or DAL, as a separate enity, have the pricing power to price their product with respect to costs?

sully606

To add to Herk's comments I made captain at 14 years. It could of been earlier but it would have been miserable with a young family etc.

I'm at 18 years now and a junior reserve ER captain. I'm in this position way out of seniority because many pilots aren't willing to put up with reserve and NYC.

I'm not complaining. I'm glad to be here and am fortunate that things have turned out as they have (so far). The mass exodus of senior Delta pilots due to impending bankruptcy and the ability to take a 50% lump sum with our loss of the DB plan ( I know we got something for the loss but I wasn't made whole) caused this movement and now I'm supposed to give this to someone else who at least got their DB plan hard frozen.

Deez340

How bout' DOH with an 18 year fence around ATL, LAX, NYC, SLC, and CVG.

newKnow

Herc,

If what you say is true then maybe we are not so far apart.

The NWA 90's hiring began in 1995.
Those 95 hires can hold:
DC-9 Capt in all bases
320 CA in DTW and MSP
747-400 FO reserve (very close to block)

'96 hires can hold the same except for 320 CA in DTW (its more senior)

Thanks for your honesty.

I've spent my time here at NWA watching the aftermath of a merger that happened 22 years ago.

From what I heard ,they were fistfighting even with a list that was merged straight DOH (those fences were long and high for the green guys).

We should make sure this gets done right.

Good luck to us all.

Opus

How bout' DOH with an 18 year fence around ATL, LAX, NYC, SLC, and CVG.

And for the NWA guys, DTW, MSP, MEM, ANC and of course the aircraft we have and have coming. So, if the 747-400/200 787, 330 go to ATL/NYC we can bid our seniority also, then I would take that in a heart beat, DOH with such fences.

Remember, our arguement is that while DAL just had their attrition we are about to have ours and we have a whole bunch of widebody flying with 68 787s hitting the property along with what we already have. So, if you want to fence your flying/aircraft, no worries sign us up.

Opus

How bout' DOH with an 18 year fence around ATL, LAX, NYC, SLC, and CVG.

And for the NWA guys, DTW, MSP, MEM, ANC and of course the aircraft we have and have coming. So, if the 747-400/200 787, 330 go to ATL/NYC we can bid our seniority also, then I would take that in a heart beat, DOH with such fences.

Remember, our arguement is that while DAL just had their attrition we are about to have ours and we have a whole bunch of widebody flying with 68 787s hitting the property along with what we already have. So, if you want to fence your flying/aircraft, no worries sign us up.[/quote]

dtfl

Curious - why would you assume your MEC would be "caving?" Rumors on the DAL say DALs MEC approached the NWA MEC with a list that would keep everyone's seniority at +/- 0.5%. I dont understand how such an agreement would be caving.

newKnow

Sully,

Looks like our '89 hires can hold 757 Capt. Which I have posted on other forums is not the typical 757 job (Europe, Asia, Hawaii)

In my opinion, not too far off there either. The difference between our bottom 757 Captain and the last 1990 hire is a little over 300 numbers.

Justdoinmyjob

That's what happens when you believe everything you hear on the line. I stand corrected. You are right. I looked at the numbers from the projected category list and a 01/97 hire date gets you plug in LAX on the 76 domestic. It also gets you 73N in ATL and 11/97 gets you 73N in NYC. The most junior captain is M88 in NYC with a 7/00 date.

nwaf16dude

I don't have any details about the agreements being proposed. I'm just looking at the items that have been leaked to the press. Most of what I've read blames the NWA pilots for delaying the merger, therefore, it seems like the leaks are designed to put pressure on the NWA pilots. DAL guys might not be used to this, but NWA guys have been getting this kind of treatment from our management for a long time, so we recognize the intent of the press leaks pretty quickly. The people in MSP writing these articles are very connected to NWA managment. I don't think they do any independent research, they just regurgitate whatever their NWA contacts tell them. Then the wire services pick up the story and take it national and suddenly it's the gospel truth.

The leaks are already creating dissention among the employees. Flight attendants are yelling at pilots for "holding up the deal." Senior pilots are touting the monetary improvements in the contract in an effort to sell the deal without the seniority integration piece. They know they are safe anyway and just want the extra money.

Your relative seniority proposal sounds okay to me as long as it doesn't put any post 9/11 hires in front of any pre 9/11 hires. That might not be completely rational, but it's a deal breaker for me.