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Old 03-02-2008, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
Two points.
1. Delta doesn't fly to Hong Kong. We are however strting Atlanta-Shanghi in 2009. We already have the route authority and have applied for ATL/BEI.
Actually the Shanghai service starts this month, on the 30th. A few years back we did LA-Hong Kong on the MD-11, but it did not work out. The manglers were told it was the wrong airframe but tried it anyway, what a surprise that we had to go with a reduced pax load in order to make it.
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Old 03-02-2008, 10:27 PM
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DAL Dude...If all you want to do is take ATL or LAX pax to NRT or other asian countries you can do that with the -777 or 787. So with out the ability to pick up Japanese pax in NRT and take them to SIN or MNL you'll be stuck with flying 225 seat airplanes flying US passenegers. Certainly do-able. The NWA connection comes from 5th freedom routes picking up a Japanese national and taking him to SIN or NRT. That's why you need the merger, and we don't
So every other airline besides NW is doomed because you have more Pacific route authority - Do you really even believe that? Its a big world out there - China, India, Brazil, Eastern Europe, South and Central America - I imagine we can serve a few of those markets even without a NW deal. There are probably even more markets out there, but I got a "D" in geography and thats all I could think of. Just as I assume that NW can serve markets other than the Pacific without Delta. Japan and 4 engine aircraft are so 70's.

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It seems like AMR has built a very respectable Asia network the old-fashioned way- one route at a time. It takes a little bit longer, but ultimately yields better results. No SLI problems, an all Boeing (3 type) fleet, and no need to spend vast sums of money replacing aged airframes.
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Originally Posted by CVG767A View Post
It seems like AMR has built a very respectable Asia network the old-fashioned way- one route at a time. It takes a little bit longer, but ultimately yields better results. No SLI problems, an all Boeing (3 type) fleet, and no need to spend vast sums of money replacing aged airframes.
I'm I missing something here? don't you guys have a bunch of md88/90's that need to be replaced before you become an all boeing/3 type fleet or are you talking about CAL?
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I'm I missing something here? don't you guys have a bunch of md88/90's that need to be replaced before you become an all boeing/3 type fleet or are you talking about CAL?
It's going to be awhile (if ever) before Delta is all Boeing. Some NW guys like to characterize the the MD80/90 as just another DC-9 and since we are all getting rid of our "DC-9s" let's call it even on that part.

The problem with this line of thinking is NW is parking DC-9s and Delta is looking to enlarge the fleet by adding a number of MD-90s. The Delta aircraft are up to 20 years newer, carry up to 50 more pax, have higher pay rates, and we currently have 135 with more to follow.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:08 AM
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Alright, my bad on forgetting the maddogs. The MD88/90s are scheduled to be around another ten years or so. The fact remains, though, that our fleet is a much simpler one without a merger.
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Also, AA has Airbii.....sssssh...don't tell anyone.



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Originally Posted by CVG767A View Post
It seems like AMR has built a very respectable Asia network the old-fashioned way- one route at a time. It takes a little bit longer, but ultimately yields better results. No SLI problems, an all Boeing (3 type) fleet, and no need to spend vast sums of money replacing aged airframes.
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Old 03-07-2008, 01:08 PM
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DAL does fly to Hong Kong. Abet for MTC heavy checks. They fly empty 767's from ANC to Hong Kong and back.
I do know that there are a lot of red dots on the map in the Far East that DAL plans on serving. The merger would let them do this now not later. That is why there is such a big push for it.
DAL also does not want any type of fence due to the fact that they want to realign the equipment as soon as they can. There will be 777 out of MSP and DTW and 400's out of ATL and LAX as quickly as they can make it happen.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
DAL does fly to Hong Kong. Abet for MTC heavy checks. They fly empty 767's from ANC to Hong Kong and back.
I do know that there are a lot of red dots on the map in the Far East that DAL plans on serving. The merger would let them do this now not later. That is why there is such a big push for it.
DAL also does not want any type of fence due to the fact that they want to realign the equipment as soon as they can. There will be 777 out of MSP and DTW and 400's out of ATL and LAX as quickly as they can make it happen.
How does Delta plan to avoid having the entire airline bidding off their equipment to hold their base?

Glad this is going to membership ratification. Nobody at DAL is going to vote for this and in case no one bothered to notice, the DAL pilots are the majority.
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