No NWA/DAL deal?
03-07-2008, 05:09 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
I'm wondering why we need to do this merger at all. Delta serves Tokyo, Seoul, and (soon) Shanghai. Looking at the DOT's website, it looks like we have authority to serve Hong Kong, Taipei, Singapore, Osaka, Fukuoka, Nagoya, and Bangkok. This may not be as comprehensive as what NWA has to offer, but it's not bad. I don't know that the Tokyo hub matches Delta's route philosophy; we dismantled our Frankfurt hub in favor of offering nonstops from the U.S.
The bunk beds look comfy!
03-07-2008, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Exactly - DAL has the route authority sitting on the shelf from the Pan Am days. Buy 777-200LR's and chuckle at 41,000 while flying past NWA's bases.
The bunk beds look comfy!
The bunk beds look comfy!
03-07-2008, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Exactly - DAL has the route authority sitting on the shelf from the Pan Am days. Buy 777-200LR's and chuckle at 41,000 while flying past NWA's bases.
The bunk beds look comfy!
The bunk beds look comfy!
Don't you know the financial information for the two companies? You guys don't have the cash to up and buy 777's like that. Come back down to earth.
When considering cash on hand vs. monthly expenses, NWA out of all the major airlines is one of the best positioned to go it alone (2nd behind Jet Blue). DAL is one of the worst (Dead last behind everyone).
So, maybe NWA don't suck as much as you think. Also, maybe DAL isn't as great as you think......
I'm also pretty sure you won't be consulted when it comes time to decide whether to buy 777-200's or anything else. So, maybe you should just stick to flying the airplanes and refrain from insulting your fellow pilots.
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03-07-2008, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
DAL also does not want any type of fence due to the fact that they want to realign the equipment as soon as they can. There will be 777 out of MSP and DTW and 400's out of ATL and LAX as quickly as they can make it happen.
03-07-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
How does Delta plan to avoid having the entire airline bidding off their equipment to hold their base?
Glad this is going to membership ratification. Nobody at DAL is going to vote for this and in case no one bothered to notice, the DAL pilots are the majority.
Glad this is going to membership ratification. Nobody at DAL is going to vote for this and in case no one bothered to notice, the DAL pilots are the majority.
Buy the way, DAL could decide to ram this deal right down your throat and there would be nothing you could do about it. You can vote down whatever agreement is made and they could just decide to let it go to the arbitrator. Apparently, right where you don't want to be.
Don't be fooled. You just fly the airplanes, Mr. Majority.
03-07-2008, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Buy the way, DAL could decide to ram this deal right down your throat and there would be nothing you could do about it. You can vote down whatever agreement is made and they could just decide to let it go to the arbitrator. Apparently, right where you don't want to be.
Don't be fooled. You just fly the airplanes, Mr. Majority.
Don't be fooled. You just fly the airplanes, Mr. Majority.
We both bring something to the table or this deal would would not be attempted. Hopefully whatever happens it will be for the long term best of both parties. And if it happens we form a unified pilot group quickly. The best way to do that is to have a binding agreement for SLI. The sooner we start thinking as one pilot group the better we can work as one when the next section 6 neg. comes around.
I understand that this is easier said than done but like Mr. Majority said we, "just fly airplanes". We are the hired help albeit with some unusual pull. When it come right down to it if the boards of the respective companies want to do this they will. If the pilot groups play this right (not between each other) we can come out of this with something of value or press on as separate companies.
03-08-2008, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sully606
I'm a Delta guy and I'll have to say that some of the hubrus coming from our side is disturbing. I've highlighted this post but am refering to a few others as well.
We both bring something to the table or this deal would would not be attempted. Hopefully whatever happens it will be for the long term best of both parties. And if it happens we form a unified pilot group quickly. The best way to do that is to have a binding agreement for SLI. The sooner we start thinking as one pilot group the better we can work as one when the next section 6 neg. comes around.
I understand that this is easier said than done but like Mr. Majority said we, "just fly airplanes". We are the hired help albeit with some unusual pull. When it come right down to it if the boards of the respective companies want to do this they will. If the pilot groups play this right (not between each other) we can come out of this with something of value or press on as separate companies.
We both bring something to the table or this deal would would not be attempted. Hopefully whatever happens it will be for the long term best of both parties. And if it happens we form a unified pilot group quickly. The best way to do that is to have a binding agreement for SLI. The sooner we start thinking as one pilot group the better we can work as one when the next section 6 neg. comes around.
I understand that this is easier said than done but like Mr. Majority said we, "just fly airplanes". We are the hired help albeit with some unusual pull. When it come right down to it if the boards of the respective companies want to do this they will. If the pilot groups play this right (not between each other) we can come out of this with something of value or press on as separate companies.
Bingo. You are exactly right. We should get along. I have no problem with DAL or DAL pilots. Great company and great pilot group. It is usually Bucking Bar that spouts off some discouraging stuff. I'm sure he's not representative of your group.....
Good luck to us all.
03-08-2008, 06:31 AM
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Don't misconstrue any of my comments as being disparaging to NWA or it's pilots. Nothing against you guys, and I think we both would be just fine as stand-alone carriers. I would prefer to remain as such, and avoid all of the problems that go with a merger.
I am, however, gradually warming to ALPA's analysis of a DAL/NWA combination; that the combined entity would be much greater than the sum of it's parts. If that's true, this transaction will happen with or without our consent. This is our chance to get something from the deal.
I am, however, gradually warming to ALPA's analysis of a DAL/NWA combination; that the combined entity would be much greater than the sum of it's parts. If that's true, this transaction will happen with or without our consent. This is our chance to get something from the deal.
03-08-2008, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Bingo. You are exactly right. We should get along. I have no problem with DAL or DAL pilots. Great company and great pilot group. It is usually Bucking Bar that spouts off some discouraging stuff. I'm sure he's not representative of your group.....
Good luck to us all.
Good luck to us all.
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