capncrunch

The raises would have been paid for by both pockets.

finis72

Capncrunch, I don't usually agree with your posts but I do agree that "our" raises would have come from "our" company, not just DL.

newKnow

Thanks Finis,

I have been trying to make that point for some time....

DeadHead

Doesn't Captain Krunch cereal cut the roof of your mouth?

sully606

Who's rates are the 7,4,4,4% based on? I've got a suggestion, lets have the 7,4,4,4% based on each pilot group's current payrates. This discussion is probably moot anyway.

newKnow

Sully,
Do you really believe that because someone comes to the table making less money than you they should get less seniority?

If so, did you make that case when you were in new hire class?

Sully says, "hey I made $60,000 as an RJ captain less year, so whose of you who made less are more lucky than me to be here, so fall in line behind me in seniority."


I'm pretty sure it would be the NWA and DAL bank accounts that would be merged together to pay the employees. Unless you are volunteering some "$Sully Money$," it's not your money to give.

hiflyer

I'm pretty sure it would be the NWA and DAL bank account that would be merged together to pay the employees. Unless you are volunteering some "$Sully Money$," it's not your money to give.[/quote]

You are right about a "pool" of money being used to pay for the increases. The points trying to be made is that there is "X" dollars available for the deal to get done. Lets say 2 billion. To bring the NWA pilots up to DAL pay rates and contract (manning, scheduling etc), there is certanly less money available for increases on the DAL side because of the costs for parity.If all the costs to bring NWA up to parity with DAL is say, only example, 1.2 billion, 800 million remains for contract improvements for DAL pilots. So NWA pilots see a 1.2 billion improvement in their contract, DAL pilots see a 800 million improvement. Is that equal? NO! So more money from the "pot" is being spent to reach parity with our contract.If the premise is so difficult to understand I propose this: each side gets 1 billion dollars to improve their respective contracts as is. Then when the DAL contract opens for section 6, we as a collective group start the process over again with "X" dollars being split. NWA's pilots will never catch-up unless the DAL piots make a sacrifice now for the NWA pilots to reach contract parity.I believe NWA pilots would not want to continue to work at wages below DAL pilots.Now for the massive retirements coming at NWA. How about all NWA pilots within say 10 years of age sixty with a DB plan sign a contractual agreement that they will retire at age sixty. Then there will be no guessing whether the claim being made about NWA pilots retiring at age sixty instead of sixty-five will come to fruition. I realize it is wishful thinking, but that argument is pie-in-the sky thinking. With the market tanking, no will be venturing out into retirement and throwing away a 200K job, medical benefits, and an increased DC plan.My bet is delaying retirement after this market slump will nessecitate the need for additional time for investments to recover.

dtfl

.because its so very fair to put the top 500 NWA pilots on the top of the combined list...all because they "promise" they will retire?

sully606

Q1. No, I wasn't talking about seniority, strickly pay. It was a TIC attempt to get someone to anwser my question fron post #47. I guess I should use those smiley faces.

Q2. I didn't see you in my new hire class at Delta but if you were we would all be equals.

Q3 I agree completely, it would be the merged company and the merged pilot's money. The suggestion I made in the previous post was a facetious attempt to get an anwser to post #47.

If you read my previous posts I'm all for getting a unified group working under the same contract as soon as possible. I don't even mind the fact that the NWA group would have a greater monetary benefit if merged.

I have two friends, both ex-NWA, a retired red book 747 capt. and a junior DC-9 FO who quit when your PWA was agreed to in bankruptcy. From what I've heard from them and my experience at Delta with Pan AM and Western strengthened this view.

The point I failed to get across was; from my perspective there seems to be a disconnect between what is considered "ours" meaning the merged pilot group and what is "mine" meaning the NWA pilot group. Something coming from the pre-Delta side that benefits NWALPA is "ours". Something coming from the pre-NW side that benefits NWALPA is "mine".

I truely may be getting the wrong impression and would like to hear your perspective. Enlighten me.

capncrunch

If that is true, we should make them sign a letter of agreement to do so and them give em the boot once we merge. Why wait?