A Shutout of Northwest's Pilots
 

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I have no dog in the fight, other than wanting to see both groups raise the bar for the rest of us, but it seems like NW MEC isn't serving their folks well, and of course, time will tell if walking away in Feb. cost their pilots in the long run. Hope it works out for you all, and then, for the rest of us.

I thought arbitration was the NW MEC tactic.:confused:

Scoop

I am confused also. As mentioned the press has twisted this around. All that is going on is it appears the merger is going through without a pilot agreement as all mergers in the past have happened. The SLI will be settled via negotiation, mediation and then arbitration. Exactly what NWA has stated they want. If I were a NWA pilot I would want that also. They have nothing really to lose in arbitration. Delta has always used a ratio by equipment or a relative position system. They won't do worse then that and could do better.

It will go to arbitration alright. Well after the DC9s are all gone.

The NWA MEC is dysfunctional. The Delta MEC will allow them to decide whether they want the steamroller painted red or green. That will keep them arguing amongst themselves for the next five years.

If the -9s are parked it would be only because of the language of the DAL scope. NWA has scope protection that wouldn't allow the DC9s to just be parked completely with out first parking regional jets.

Dude you are posting, almost and endless stream of hateful crud, on this and flightinfo, all day and night. First, you need to learn to relax and see what is going to come of this deal. I don't want it to happen either but you are starting to sound like a whining little kid. Yes, this may suck. But it also might work out. You are a newhire at NW. Guess what, you have no vote. I don't have one at Delta right now either. You will get more respect by showing some composure and not screaming on every thread and forum you can that the Delta MEC is tossing you under the bus and that you will strike. You have not even been at NW for a year and you are this bitter already?
I would like Delta to go alone also. I like where I am at, and the realitive position I have in my category. By Aug I was slated to be ~65 % in NYC on the ER. Not bad for the one year point at Delta. That will likely all change now. You don't see me on these boards spamming every thread and tossing obvious flame bait.

Do everyone a favor and if you insist on posting the quanity of spam and hate filled treads you currently are, do so at flightinfo. That place is crazy. The mods here seem to have kept this place pretty nice and it is usually a pretty good discussion.

Sorry to everyone else for my rant. I am just getting sick of this Crap.

Slinky

If this is going to happen i look forward to the day that i get to fly with some DAL guys. Just remember ultimately we are all supposed to be on the same team. Hopefully this works out for us all in the short term, I know it will in the long term :D

All speculation on your part. No one knows what will happen. Please, lets stop this constant bickering and focus on being unified. Many of us may prefer for DAL and NWA to go at it alone, but the hedge fund people don't care what we think or what we want.

Please, let's stop the slandering and mud slinging about what our MEC's may or may not be doing. It's just filling the room with more rumors, more hate, and more division. Please, let's work on being unified, and seeing the forest through the trees. Many of us have a long way to go in this career, and the constant "me, me, me!" attitude is one of the main things that has contributed to practically destroying this industry. Please, let's focus on being unified, and working together.

Respectfully,

Johnso29

Whatever dude,
I am pretty laid back. You should just take a few seconds and look at the amount you are posting. It is crazy. Chill out, have a beer and lets just see what happens. I really don't think DALPA is so short sited that it is not looking forward to the next contract and how ALL OF US at that time can profit.

See you around campus....from the sounds of everything on the TV, probably we will all be in the same uniforms by christmas.

slinky

All I will say is just because scope prevents it does not mean that they will a) try to get around it, or b) it makes good business sense.

Yes, the double breasted beast. :O

My posting means i am following and paying attention to any details i can get. This is of course our careers we are talking about and its somewhat important. Please dont take anything i post as flamebait, if i post something controversial its usually to bring it to attention. IMHO Scope protection is huge and sure that got me a little bent out of shape. Like i said long term we all are going to do fine, short term is the big unknown.

Funniest thing I've read all day :D

NWA MEC used to be known as the viper. Why? Because they would strike at anything. I think those days maybe gone and its unfortunate. They don't wanna stand up and fight anymore like they used to.

Yes we do. Hissss!!! :)

I am dressed in my indian peasant garb with a lute playing in the background. Be calm my viper, be calm.

The Cobra is calm now. Don't wory, they only used to go on strike once a year. :rolleyes:

The deal is done exactly as I posted that it would happen. Delta got some contract improvements in LOA 19 and the merger will proceed in the conventional manor. There is no attempt on the part of DALPA to run NWA as a subsiderary. The scope changes have nothing to do with allowing larger RJ's. Good luck to us all and lets hope the new airline turns out to be a powerhouse!

Sailingfun,

I hope you are right. I hope both sides will allow calmer heads to prevail and we can collectively work in building a stable and profitable airline.

I hope so too, but our MEC just sent us a letter saying they are going to aggressively oppose this merger now.fwiw

They had to say that. Negotiations are going to resume shortly. They need to maintain some sort of leverage.

We can still work this thing out. The "seperate deal" that DALPA just signed should never have to take effect if our two MECs can get together and figure this thing out. DALPA only did what it did to make sure there are some returns for us. The merger was going to be announced with or without us.

Management wants the NW pilots on board. Badly. DALPA wants the NW pilots on board. Badly. There's more money with you guys on board. Let's do it!

I hope thats true. And I think this could be good for us all. We shall see.

Well said, we have more power working together than separately.

And somewhere, off in the distance towards MSP and DTW, Steals and Crofts can be heard strumming "Summer breeze, makes me feel fine, blowing through the jasmine in my mind".

And we all collectively mellow and rest easy that no furloughs are going to happen, fleets will be maintained, and sweet destinations such as Grand Forks from the north and Mobile from ATL will still be served by the venerable noise of the JT8s. It's been a LONG time since I had to do a noise abatement departure, I'm just hoping it will still be a long time.:)