CVG767A

I'm still a bit confused as to how our pay rate affects your negotiation for a common contract. We earn more than you now; should we be escrowing all of our pay which exceeds current NWA book rates?

As far as raising the bar for everyone, it seems like you'll get the same pay rates as us when you're under the same contract as us. I'd like to see you get an equity stake, as well. And again, bear in mind, the latest increase in our pay represents a trade for something which our management considered to be of like value.

kmpflyer

Great news! Then a relative seniority SLI, as proposed by DALPA, should work. No worries about DAL pilots "stealing your attrition".

kmpflyer

Justdoinmyjob

See, this is where the disconnect is. You get moved to the higher Delta rates not when you agree to the DAL proposed SLI, but when the SLI is accomplished, by ANY method. We are now engaged in a "traditional" way of doing mergers. The "new and improved" method we tried is no longer in play. Both sides try and negotiate, we come to an impasse, the arbitrater gets involved, makes a decision, everyone thinks they got hosed and complains, you put on a Delta uniform and HAT (sorry, couldn't resist that one!) and in your next paycheck, you start getting the higher payrates that were negotiated in the joint contract, starting from the 7% higher Delta rates. Or do you want to start from the lower NW rates?

tsquare

deleted... that didn't come out the way i meant it... sorry if i offended anyone

The second part. I would agree with that under a condition. Fire your MEC, and hire ours. Lee Moak's guys don't have to nor should they be required to negotiate with your management on your behalf. Someday the will (hopefully), but that mile marker has not been passed yet.

All the best Carl.. really

Eric Stratton

it sounds like the relief in scope was a huge hurdle to get by for the merger to go through. If thats the case why wouldn't delta ask for the joint contract or some version of it for all pilots? the merger couldn't go through without it (as it's being implied). that to me seems like big enough leverage considering they were offering more just awhile back. considering that LOA 19 only takes effect on the first day of the merger it looks like they left out 4500 of its pilots.

if the merger goes through how long before the the SLI has to be done, is their a time line?

what incentive does the delta management and delta mec have to get this done? the delta pilots got their equity and pay raise so why would they even consider getting the SLI done if they thought they might lose something? (seniority)

once the SLI is done what incentive do they (delta management and pilots) have to get a joint contract done if the economy isn't stellar. meaning enough money to bring nwa pilots up and give both raises?

CVG767A

I think getting a joint contract is on a time line, once the merger takes place. The final step in the process is binding arbitration, if we don't come to a negotiated agreement within a certain amount of time.

Eric Stratton

usair and america west don't have a joint contract yet, right?

so I'm guessing they could go to the expiration date of both contracts?

StripAlert

Good grief. What have we done? Are you saying that your F/A's are actually older than ours? That in and of itself is enough to justify the Delta pilots' equity stake... I knew we should've merged with Horizon.

DAL4EVER

The SLI could take months to accomplish. The timeframe to do a deal was now or never. In a time where we are paying $145/barrel oil he who has the most cash on hand will be the last person at the dance I feel. By doing the LOA, we gave DAL the ability to go forward with the deal. Now we have some time to accomplish the joint contract. The goal is the new contract will build further off of LOA 19.

We must come together on this. A US/AWA debacle cannot be repeated. Plus, look at the demographics, there is not much difference in much of either population.

INAV8OR

We must come together on this. A US/AWA debacle cannot be repeated.
----------I guess there is a first time for everything---I agree with a DAL pilot....