NWA ALPA's Take on the Merger
#31
Yeah right... believe me, if you even remotely knew how many molotov cocktails I have thrown at our MEC over the years on the DALPA forum, you would have no questions about my thought processes. The old way doesn't work anymore. When CAL and UAL start talking, if you choose the old tried and true method of clamming up and not working with management instead of working with them when it is obvious that they hold all the cards.. I will be anxious to see how things work out for you. If you are proactive and (drink the koolaid) as is so eloquently put, you will get something instead of the usual nothing. I know that your ego won't allow it, but when your deal is consummated, you will be thanking us under your breath.
#33
Also, I do not understand why they are whining about not getting in on the rewards when all they have done is get in the way of a fair deal that would have benefitted their pilots. What have they done to deserve equity?
Of course the DAL MEC is working to protect and promote its advantage in arbitration. The DAL MEC did not want to go there (and still does not)
Of course the DAL MEC is working to protect and promote its advantage in arbitration. The DAL MEC did not want to go there (and still does not)
Wow, I can't believe you have the nerve to ask what we have done to deserve equity. Let me flip the question, What have YOU done to deserve equity? B.c. someone on your MEC neg a contract for you, how does that entitle you to equity over me. We are just as much a part of this merger as you are, therefore we deserve just as much equity as you. This is the kind of intelligent statement from a DAL pilot that will divide and create annimosity with NWA pilots. We all deserve to get the same thing, NONE of us have done anything more to deserve more than the other!
And why dont you want to go to arbitration?
I reserve the right to have spelling and grammar errors!
#34
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[quote=HVYinRESERVE;364055]Read the portion toward the bottom... Will NWA pilots get rid of this guy already! We can get this done for both pilot groups' benefit but not with leadership like that!
A letter from the NWA MEC Chairman to the pilots of ALPA Councils
Under these circumstances, it is Northwest’s best option, with its strong international and domestic route structure, a flexible fleet, an order book with fuel-efficient aircraft and the best cash position of any legacy carrier, to remain an independent carrier.
Your MEC reached this conclusion with reluctance. We were very close to concluding a truly cooperative merger which would have served the interests of everyone. We regret that an agreement was not obtained. However, the past is past. The Northwest pilot group now has to face a difficult future. As hard as a standalone course may be in these economic times, it is our judgment that it carries less risk than the merger path which now lies before us. For that reason, we will be turning our efforts to stopping this merger.
With oil trading at alomost 115.00 barrel today, just how long do you think your stand alone option is feasible? No one can predict if and when oil prices will come down. That is much more risky. The senoir pilot's at NWA, know there jobs are secure no matter what. I'm not sure that is the case with the junior guys.
A letter from the NWA MEC Chairman to the pilots of ALPA Councils
Under these circumstances, it is Northwest’s best option, with its strong international and domestic route structure, a flexible fleet, an order book with fuel-efficient aircraft and the best cash position of any legacy carrier, to remain an independent carrier.
Your MEC reached this conclusion with reluctance. We were very close to concluding a truly cooperative merger which would have served the interests of everyone. We regret that an agreement was not obtained. However, the past is past. The Northwest pilot group now has to face a difficult future. As hard as a standalone course may be in these economic times, it is our judgment that it carries less risk than the merger path which now lies before us. For that reason, we will be turning our efforts to stopping this merger.
With oil trading at alomost 115.00 barrel today, just how long do you think your stand alone option is feasible? No one can predict if and when oil prices will come down. That is much more risky. The senoir pilot's at NWA, know there jobs are secure no matter what. I'm not sure that is the case with the junior guys.
#35
What have they done to deserve equity? Is that really a ? you are asking?
Wow, I can't believe you have the nerve to ask what we have done to deserve equity. Let me flip the question, What have YOU done to deserve equity? B.c. someone on your MEC neg a contract for you, how does that entitle you to equity over me. We are just as much a part of this merger as you are, therefore we deserve just as much equity as you. This is the kind of intelligent statement from a DAL pilot that will divide and create annimosity with NWA pilots. We all deserve to get the same thing, NONE of us have done anything more to deserve more than the other!
And why dont you want to go to arbitration?
I reserve the right to have spelling and grammar errors!
Wow, I can't believe you have the nerve to ask what we have done to deserve equity. Let me flip the question, What have YOU done to deserve equity? B.c. someone on your MEC neg a contract for you, how does that entitle you to equity over me. We are just as much a part of this merger as you are, therefore we deserve just as much equity as you. This is the kind of intelligent statement from a DAL pilot that will divide and create annimosity with NWA pilots. We all deserve to get the same thing, NONE of us have done anything more to deserve more than the other!
And why dont you want to go to arbitration?
I reserve the right to have spelling and grammar errors!
Somebody want to take this one? I just can't.....
On second thought... Av8r13. Have you ever heard the phrase "you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate?" Talk to yor reps... pleeeeeeeeeze... I am begging you
#36
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AV8ER13
You should be mad as hell that your union didn't have simular leverage in your contract, that the Dal pilots have. Your anger is misdirected. Be angry...very angry that you got screwed by your on union and their lack of foresight to what was heading our way...Thank goodness that DALPA saw the writing on the wall quite some time ago.
You should be mad as hell that your union didn't have simular leverage in your contract, that the Dal pilots have. Your anger is misdirected. Be angry...very angry that you got screwed by your on union and their lack of foresight to what was heading our way...Thank goodness that DALPA saw the writing on the wall quite some time ago.
#37
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Position: A320 CA
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Looking forward to a combined contract and flying the 767. Always wanted to fly that plane! I need to get out of MSP..too cold. What year group at DAL can hold ATL 767 CA?
I welcome your company on the flight deck and asking you to raise the gear
Looking forward to a combined contract and flying the 767. Always wanted to fly that plane! I need to get out of MSP..too cold. What year group at DAL can hold ATL 767 CA?
I welcome your company on the flight deck and asking you to raise the gear
#38
AV8ER13
You should be mad as hell that your union didn't have simular leverage in your contract, that the Dal pilots have. Your anger is misdirected. Be angry...very angry that you got screwed by your on union and their lack of foresight to what was heading our way...Thank goodness that DALPA saw the writing on the wall quite some time ago.
You should be mad as hell that your union didn't have simular leverage in your contract, that the Dal pilots have. Your anger is misdirected. Be angry...very angry that you got screwed by your on union and their lack of foresight to what was heading our way...Thank goodness that DALPA saw the writing on the wall quite some time ago.
#39
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 973
Well now its in print. Not to smart. Any work slowdowns or stoppages could land them in court now. Even DAL has seen that with our "sickout" in '99. I would hope they would fight now along side us.
Heck, one good thing is that you would get long layover hotels and not the LaQuinta 100 yards from LGA anymore! Our long layover hotels have good bars that will allow us to hopefully "celebrate" our collective gains that will come shortly.
Heck, one good thing is that you would get long layover hotels and not the LaQuinta 100 yards from LGA anymore! Our long layover hotels have good bars that will allow us to hopefully "celebrate" our collective gains that will come shortly.
#40
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super,
I believe both sides dug in their heels...unfortunately or fortunately depending on where you stand, one group had a little more bargaining levearge then the other...I do wish both groups unite. I hope the junior guys at NWA see that they are going to be around much longer that a lot of senior guys, the ones who i believe are thinking of themselves and not whats best for all of you.
I believe both sides dug in their heels...unfortunately or fortunately depending on where you stand, one group had a little more bargaining levearge then the other...I do wish both groups unite. I hope the junior guys at NWA see that they are going to be around much longer that a lot of senior guys, the ones who i believe are thinking of themselves and not whats best for all of you.
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