Eric Stratton

dang it, you figured me out. it was my mom. she fights my battles. on a serious note you need to put your glasses on and take a look at it. all I can think of is an old cheer from the movie wildcats. it goes like this...U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi...you ugly... heah-heah...you ugly LOL

Justdoinmyjob

You don't think it's possible that the combined brain power of DAL and NWA managements already firgured out how the 5th freedom rights would work with Delta being the surviving carrier? Or that the Japanese would balk at any change? This is a political/economic arena and having lived in Asia for most of my life, seriously doubt that the Japanese would really care what the carrier is called, so long as service isn't disrupted or that they get something in return.

Eric Stratton

since the scope was loosened to allow nwa to fly their wide bodies does it allow them to fly additional wide bodies that could come on property after the merger date if their isn't a SLI or are they locked into only those airplanes on property?

Justdoinmyjob

Well let's see, how to decide where to put any new WBs. There are the 777s. I guess NW could get them, but why not put them with the carrier who already operates them. Maybe pick up some A330s. Spool up a whole new category at Delta or just put them where you already have trained pilots to fly them. 767-300s. How many does NW operate. Great deal on some used 747-400s. It's getting confusing, who operates those already?

You seem to be quibbling now. Maybe we can get the NW pilots even more ticked off by making them have to start wearing hats after the merge.

Eric Stratton

hey there's that sarcasm guy again...I think we both know that the nwa guys aren't going to wear the hat unless they are the ones that currently wear it.

I'm not trying to get anyone worked up I'm just trying to see things from all angles and what could possibly happen. can whipsawing happen? whether people believe it would happen or not isn't the point. it's whether is can or cannot happen. I think to the past when people were led to believe that 50 seaters were only going to replace props and grow markets for bigger airplanes. we all know how that turned out.

Scoop

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I've just never seen a pilot group come across as being so right all the time while the other side is so wrong ...

Eric,
Your kidding right? You have just exactly described the position of every merging pilot group ever. This crap has been going on ever since Orville and Wilbur merged from Orville and Wilbur into the Wright brothers.
Scoop

flyguy1012

why don't you check out a thread called "Correcting NWA MEC's little lies". don't know who this guy is but he seems to have some interesting info. if his info is correct nwa rank and file better beware from within.

tsquare

That was not my intent at all Carl, but I think you just verified that your reaction to the deal is emotional...

My point was that this is business. We are trying to negotiate a better contract for all (and that INCLUDES NWA pilots), and this is the first step. And ONLY that... the first step. The DAL pilots had a unique leverage position here and Moak exploited it which will benefit us all when the whole thing is done. It took a long time for me to come to that realization, as well as the realization that all those types of negotiating tactics used in the past won't work anymore; at least to the extent that we can extract gains from our companies. I personally am sick of the adversarial relationships between labor and management. Everybody loses... So why not try something different? I guess if that makes me a kiool-aid drinker, then make mine orange. But maybe the old ways are right. Maybe we should threaten to burn it down. And then management will essentially impose a crap contract on us.. and some third rate government bureaucrat will impose an SLI on us and everybody will be unhappy. I guess that will be much better.

Eric Stratton

[QUOTE=Scoop;368307]is it really a surprise that a SLI wasn't going to get done in a few weeks with out a mediator (I was told there wasn't one) or having arbitration done. both sides are going to guard seniority with their life because it's the only constant in this industry. unless you merge of course.

tsquare

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Eric... do us all a favor, and define seniority as you see it. this is not a dig at you, but it is really a way to ask if you really underdstand what the word means as it relates to two different groups.