Why DAL's proposed ratio is inequitable
04-29-2008, 07:02 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by keenster
Its called max pay for min time away from home. One 13 day trip and your done then 18 to 30 days off depending on when you bid your next trip.
04-29-2008, 08:16 AM
#223
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Originally Posted by keenster
Man I hope and pray that you are right but I for one am not sticking my head in the sand. Being aroud this business for 23 years we are just a number to the company and the company will do what the company will do without regards to the needs of a number. I think that this merger will put more people on the streets than we can imagine in time. Right now a pretty picture is being painted so that it will go through. Then that picture will be taken down off the wall and be thrown in the trash. Then the ugly picture will emerge. I hope that I am wrong.
We have quite a different outlook at both airlines (employee vs. mgmt), and I think that'll prove to be more difficult to assimilate than anything else on the table, including SLI.
04-29-2008, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by staplegun
Sure we do: 2 Mumbai's = 10 days, 4 legs, 78 hours!
or
3 Narita's = 9 days, 6 legs, 79 hours!
Kevin
or
3 Narita's = 9 days, 6 legs, 79 hours!
Kevin
04-29-2008, 08:35 AM
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[QUOTE=tsquare;375756]
Well, let's think about that.. he said he can barely hold widebody at NWA... if he comes over at relative seniority, he will hold widebody captain on every piece of equipment we now have. Disclaimer: I have not looked at his actual numbers.. nor have I verified what numbers were published above; IOW it is a purely theoretical example. However, would that not constitute a windfall? And if not, please educate me, because I think this is an extremely important point of perception.
Well, my guess is he is a widebody FO for quality of life. So he can already hold norrowbody captain. And when retirements happen, widebody captain at NWA. At the NeW DeltA he may be able to hold widebody captain now. But there will be a lot of younger guys ahead of him that will still be there when he retires. So his quality of life will take a hit. Just because he has more A/C choices doesn't make it a windfall if his goal is quality of life.
I'm just curious if there are any Delta pilots that think relative seniority works a lot better for them as a group then it does for the NWA guys?
Originally Posted by Invisible Man
Well, let's think about that.. he said he can barely hold widebody at NWA... if he comes over at relative seniority, he will hold widebody captain on every piece of equipment we now have. Disclaimer: I have not looked at his actual numbers.. nor have I verified what numbers were published above; IOW it is a purely theoretical example. However, would that not constitute a windfall? And if not, please educate me, because I think this is an extremely important point of perception.
I'm just curious if there are any Delta pilots that think relative seniority works a lot better for them as a group then it does for the NWA guys?
04-29-2008, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I normally do two 6 day trips. Two SVO's 6 days are worth 84 hours. The 6 day Paris with a SLC layover will be a great trip also. There are normally a few 9 and 10 day trips also. There was at least one 9 day Paris trip this month for ATL. Still perhaps the best flying of all is doing STT or SJU turns out of Atlanta. Work 10 days a month and sleep in your own bed each night. It was almost enough to cause me to move to Atlanta!
I knew that too... Except the 400 gets OUR SVO trips in the summer
Have you heard who is going to do the SLC part of the CDG trip yet? I hope it comes to JFK, but like everything else.. it will probably go to ATL
04-29-2008, 09:08 AM
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[quote=Invisible Man;375879]
I'm just curious if there are any Delta pilots that think relative seniority works a lot better for them as a group then it does for the NWA guys?
Clearly there will be pluses and minuses for each pilot group in this merger.
In any case, as a junior Delta guy, I like my chances with an arbitrator much better than what the NWA negotiators have in mind for me.
Originally Posted by tsquare
I'm just curious if there are any Delta pilots that think relative seniority works a lot better for them as a group then it does for the NWA guys?
In any case, as a junior Delta guy, I like my chances with an arbitrator much better than what the NWA negotiators have in mind for me.
Last edited by Spaceman Spliff; 04-29-2008 at 09:36 AM.
04-29-2008, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Invisible Man
I'm just curious if there are any Delta pilots that think relative seniority works a lot better for them as a group then it does for the NWA guys?
Well, you are probably sick of my opinion, but I feel that relative seniority would be fair, whereas DOH is punitive to the DAL pilots.
And that's all I've got to say about that
Last edited by tsquare; 04-29-2008 at 09:16 AM.
04-29-2008, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
Clearly there will be pluses and minuses for each pilot group in this merger.
In any case, as a junior Delta guy, I like my chances with an arbitrator much better than what the NWA negotiators have in mind for me.
