Why DAL's proposed ratio is inequitable
04-16-2008, 10:41 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
It is a huge taboo.
One guy calling one rep might not be a big deal, but for one MEC to publicly "go around" the other and openly try to influence the other pilot group - that would cause the earth to stop rotating.
However, some of us here at Delta are advocating exactly that.
Both MECs have some explaining to do. The rank and file needs to know what happened with the seniority list negotiations.
Somebody in that room cost us all a lot of money. I want to know who it was and why they did it.
If the Delta negotiators were intransigent and unreasonable, then I want to know about it so I can recall them immediately.
If the Northwest MEC is at fault, then the NWA rank and file needs to understand that so they can deal with it.
Whichever way it happened, we need to fix it fast. Before we let even more money slip through our fingers.
One guy calling one rep might not be a big deal, but for one MEC to publicly "go around" the other and openly try to influence the other pilot group - that would cause the earth to stop rotating.
However, some of us here at Delta are advocating exactly that.
Both MECs have some explaining to do. The rank and file needs to know what happened with the seniority list negotiations.
Somebody in that room cost us all a lot of money. I want to know who it was and why they did it.
If the Delta negotiators were intransigent and unreasonable, then I want to know about it so I can recall them immediately.
If the Northwest MEC is at fault, then the NWA rank and file needs to understand that so they can deal with it.
Whichever way it happened, we need to fix it fast. Before we let even more money slip through our fingers.
Hummm Check,
I can't believe it but.... I think I agree with you. That was a thoughtful, objective and impartial post.
Power to the people. In this case, power to the pilots.
We're on the same side!!!!
New K Now
04-16-2008, 10:54 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Hummm Check,
I can't believe it but.... I think I agree with you. That was a thoughtful, objective and impartial post.
Power to the people. In this case, power to the pilots.
We're on the same side!!!!
New K Now
I can't believe it but.... I think I agree with you. That was a thoughtful, objective and impartial post.
Power to the people. In this case, power to the pilots.
We're on the same side!!!!
New K Now
We ARE all on the same side and we are ALL SUPPOSED to be represented by ALPA. Reading these posts is seems evident that there is significant suspicion that ALPA may not be on the same side.
This is the exact reason there is VERY little trust in ALPA on the NWA side. And, this distrust is spread from the top of our seniority list to the bottom.
04-16-2008, 10:55 AM
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"QUESTION....if anybody has any knowledge of what is/was on the table, where would a Oct 98 guy fall in the combined list? Rumor is that DAL wanted the bottom 900 NWA guys to be the bottom 900 on the combined list. Rumor... All i want (and my buds here at NWA) is to be blended equitably with guys of our seniority. I dont want a 2007 DAL guy above me, thats not fair, but I'm willing to give up a little for the common good."
Mako:
You will not be thrown to the bottom of the list. Not true, never was proprosed. I spoke with my rep, .5% of you current position at NWA's.
A '98 hire holds mid 757/76 in ATL, can hold all equipment including the 777 and captain position on the 88 in JFK and ATL. Not bad.
The rank and file NWA pilots have been somewhat mislead I feel. Your position would improve in every way. DAL has many more aircraft that "PAY" wide body rates. 757/767 are the same rate. Increased staffing requirements provides more bodies in every seat, especially the 12+ hour routes.
Welcome
Mako:
You will not be thrown to the bottom of the list. Not true, never was proprosed. I spoke with my rep, .5% of you current position at NWA's.
A '98 hire holds mid 757/76 in ATL, can hold all equipment including the 777 and captain position on the 88 in JFK and ATL. Not bad.
The rank and file NWA pilots have been somewhat mislead I feel. Your position would improve in every way. DAL has many more aircraft that "PAY" wide body rates. 757/767 are the same rate. Increased staffing requirements provides more bodies in every seat, especially the 12+ hour routes.
Welcome
04-16-2008, 12:21 PM
#66
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Just remember that at NWA the dominant political party in the seniority food fight are narrow body FO's they control the roll call vote on the MEC. So before blaming the senior end of the pilot group remember that the tyrrany of the majority is in effect, and is likely reflected in the NWA MEC stated positions."Democracy like sausage making does not bear close scrutiny well"
04-16-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hiflyer
Mako:
You will not be thrown to the bottom of the list. Not true, never was proprosed. I spoke with my rep, .5% of you current position at NWA's.
A '98 hire holds mid 757/76 in ATL, can hold all equipment including the 777 and captain position on the 88 in JFK and ATL. Not bad.
The rank and file NWA pilots have been somewhat mislead I feel. Your position would improve in every way. DAL has many more aircraft that "PAY" wide body rates. 757/767 are the same rate. Increased staffing requirements provides more bodies in every seat, especially the 12+ hour routes.
Welcome
You will not be thrown to the bottom of the list. Not true, never was proprosed. I spoke with my rep, .5% of you current position at NWA's.
A '98 hire holds mid 757/76 in ATL, can hold all equipment including the 777 and captain position on the 88 in JFK and ATL. Not bad.
The rank and file NWA pilots have been somewhat mislead I feel. Your position would improve in every way. DAL has many more aircraft that "PAY" wide body rates. 757/767 are the same rate. Increased staffing requirements provides more bodies in every seat, especially the 12+ hour routes.
Welcome
04-16-2008, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXer
The real answer to Mako should be comparing his actually percentage now to what a Delta pilot of the exact percentage is holding now. I know fleet compositions are different but this might answer his question better.
04-16-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by makoshark72
Then I'm around 4200 out of an approx 5200 list....
