slowplay

Then maybe your MEC can propose a way for you to keep your "premium" and pay while not taking that from Delta.

Whaddayathink? Or was all that talk of B-scale not related to pay?

Jay5150

But how much of there is that to go around? Take a look at those route maps above to see what I'm getting at.

We do the 757 thing too. I think the final tally will be 17 ETOPS 75's. However, they pay 767 rates.

Carl Spackler

I agree with you completely Slow. I do not want to take a single thing away from Delta pilots; not a single thing.

Carl

Justdoinmyjob

I think you're right. I would much rather be a senior FO making more money than the plug reserve CA being scheduling's beotch. It's all about QOL. I could hold a line on the ER, but have no desire to fly international. I've lived on every continent except Antartica and didn't leave anything behind anywhere to go back for. Especially Africa.

Scoop

So why is DAL international flying, that pays a higher rate, not premium flying also? You have to admit that there is no such thing as "premium" flying and your MEC made that up. As a matter of fact DAL has much more "High Efficiency" international flying, thats international flying that pays a higher payrate and burns less fuel. And if you guys don't like that we have more "south-centric" international flying also, which is international flying that departs from south of the Mason-Dixon line. I guess the amount of adjectives we put in front of flying is only limited by our imagination.

Scoop

nwaf16dude

I would be interested in hearing DAL pilot's opinions on why your International flying does seem to go so junior. Obviously, if new hires are getting it, it's only because someone more senior doesn't want it. I understand the problems with commuting to JFK, of course, but what other things tend to keep it junior? What is your international over-ride/per diem? What are the trips like?

Scoop

f16dude,
We had a long discussion about this a few months ago and from what I remember the following made the list:
-Cost of living in NYC area and tough commute with full flights.
-Crappy international long call reserve rules.
-Up to 8 short calls (I think) per month requiring you to be local or in a crash pad.
- Very little pay differential over domestic 767 flying.

The trip selection is very varied from great to just so-so (If you call flying to the UK so-so) and from what I understand the new guys get a lot of the low time 2 pilot crew trips to the UK.

The fact that there is so much international flying with the recent expansion basically means any one who desires to fly international can hold it so there is also no backlog waiting to bid it.

There were a bunch of others but thats all I remember.

Scoop

Justdoinmyjob

As one who can hold a line on the ER and chooses domestic 767 over international, it is about QOL and pay. I get to see my family more, and for only $3.00 an hour more, it is not financially worth my time.

newKnow

Scoop,

That wasn't the discussion. Read a few post previous to my post.

Scoop

I know, and I apologize for detouring the thread, but I find the whole "Premium Widebody" flying subject very entertaining. OK - Back to the original bickering fella's.

Scoop