Invisible Man

[QUOTE=tsquare;375684]How so?
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keenster

At number 1241 at nwa I am not eve on page 4 of the NWA list. RElative Position number on the combined Delta NWA list would be Approximately 2970. I don't think that would put me on page 4 of a combined list. What kind of math are you guys using ? So, rv350 and tsquare how do you figure i could hold 777 capt out of atlanta?

reddog25

Sen#1241 at NWA puts you at about the 24% mark. Does the 24% mark at DAL fly ATL 777CA? Thats what relative seniority would provide. I'm guessing that it would be at least a 767-300 CA....any DAL want to chime in? I'm going to a NWA MEC 'road show this morning where I imagine my pro-merger bias will not be very welcomed....any ammunition would be helpful

keenster

Its is nice to see you acknowledge where I should fall on the Delta list based on DOH and then in the same breath turn around a put approx 1500 junior and for the most part yonger delta guys in front of me based on a relative postion list. So fot the rest of my caeer I see Original delta guys bidding the 1000 NWA retirements coming up soon as well as bidding the best schedules etc. How many Delta retirements are coming up soon? Again what is that Sep 1985 guy hired after me flying with a seniority number in the low 200s. He is junior to me date of hire, but will be in his seat the rest of my career. There is very little chance for upward movement out of the delta side in the next 8=10 years due to retirements. I am happy that the guys over there are in the seats they are in. I do not watn to bmp them or take the seats they are in even if they are junior to me date of hire. I just want a fair shot at the seats of the nwa wide bodies that where there for me and some of the growth seats that the combined carrier will produce.

reddog25

Gone with the INS...With the old Delco INS you could only load 9 waypoints, so if you forgot to reload as you crossed the pacific your NAV would drop to the final waypoint (destination) after you passed the last way point. TK Row procedure called for a plot on the chart (no longer used) aprox 10 minutes following the passing of a waypoint to ensure the nav was still tracking properly. The procedure was named after CA T.K. Row...........your goal is to make it thru your airline career without a procedure named after you

slowplay

Does that mean you want a fair shot at the "negative attrition" that comes as the 742 and-9-30's are parked, or do you want the DAL guys to share in that as well?

If the list is to be truly "dynamic" it has to take the bad with the good.

rvr350

Keenster,

The 24% mark at DAL right now gets you 767 CA at all bases, 7ER, 765 (highest paid of them all currently, except 777) CA. Not quite yet to 777 CA mark So there you have it... No spin, just facts from our Apr seniority list.

I think we all need to realize there will be a small percentage of people on both sides feel like getting screwed, and a small (quiet) percentage that celebrates because of a windfall. But for the 90% or so, it's business as usual. You decide which group you're in... We can't please them all, I am only concentrated on working together, and keep the big picture in check.

keenster

It is easy for you to say that thses airplanes will be parked. Who knows but to assume they are going to be parked with no facts is just plain wrong. We have heard nothing about parking any of the 200 747 and if they would be parked they would probably have been repalced with another aircraft-possible 400 conversions as the 787 come onboard. Also the 9s woudl probably be parked in time but there may well have been a replacement for this to, but these 2 companies have been planning this merger for some time. NWA announced cut backs premerger announcement and Delta announced cut backs premerger. Just my point!!! Senority is all you have. Pay, routes, hubs. work rules. retirement, can all go away with waht ever the company decides to do.
I would say a fair way to handle furloughs is 1 nwa guy then 1 Delta guy that is sharing the pain equally. I don't want this merger your company does. So I don't think it is fair to say because they decide to park 9s that all Nwa GUYS take the hit. When you signed on you new the risk of the job being a junior guy you may have a job today and not tomorrow. Hopefully no one gets furlouhed but you guys did not hesitate to make it so that only NWA guys would hit the streets with letter 19 and that is not an easy pill to swallow. On the other hand we are know as cobra airlines and will strike at anything. I would venture to say that our group would not have done the same to the Delta guys because we have been through alot of hostile management events and know what it is llike to have to go on strike.

tsquare

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Well, let's think about that.. he said he can barely hold widebody at NWA... if he comes over at relative seniority, he will hold widebody captain on every piece of equipment we now have. Disclaimer: I have not looked at his actual numbers.. nor have I verified what numbers were published above; IOW it is a purely theoretical example. However, would that not constitute a windfall? And if not, please educate me, because I think this is an extremely important point of perception.

tsquare

Pretty good demonstration then of who actually has more widebody flying then isn't it? Who cares what page you are on.. the issue here is how much widebody captain flying would be available to you. Not being snotty, but if the numbers that rvr350 posted are accurate, you should be absolutely giddy about this merger and relative seniority, because what you WILL hold is much better than what you CAN hold now.