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Old 05-30-2008, 07:45 PM   #481  
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I've been gone awhile flying and on vacation...this thread is STILL ALIVE? Jeesh!
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At NWA, if I make it until 60, I retire as #9. With a one for one ratio with DAL pilots who are younger than me, the best I could hope for is retiring at #509.
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You make a fine point, but I don't want you to think things are all roses even on the Delta-only list. My current Delta projected system seniority in year 2020 when I turn 60 (when, by the way, I will have 30 years with Delta) is around number 1,800. You read that right- and that's a Delta-only number- nothing to do with the merger or NWA. 60 years old, 30 years with Delta, and around number 1,800. Chalk it up to getting hired at the wrong time, but it is what it is.

My point? Simply to say that many of us DAL types are feeling pretty vulnerable too.

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You make a fine point, but I don't want you to think things are all roses even on the Delta-only list. My current Delta projected system seniority in year 2020 when I turn 60 (when, by the way, I will have 30 years with Delta) is around number 1,800. You read that right- and that's a Delta-only number- nothing to do with the merger or NWA. 60 years old, 30 years with Delta, and around number 1,800. Chalk it up to getting hired at the wrong time, but it is what it is.

My point? Simply to say that many of us DAL types are feeling pretty vulnerable too.

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I sure undestand that. Anybody in our crazy industry probably feels vulnerable right now.

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Well, these latest developments are pretty neat. My biggest concern was that DALPA would use LOA 19 as a hammer and delay any joint contract until many NWA folks had been furloughed.

We started this latest process excruciatingly slow, and it looked like stalling was going to be the tactic. I don't know what caused the urgency from DAL management to work around the clock until an agreement was reached, but the bottom line is: we did reach it. I'm very proud of DALPA and NWALPA for getting this done.

Pretty strong rumors seem to indicate that Date of Hire is off the table, the ratio that figured in Delta's future aircraft options is also off the table, and a framework has us pretty close to agreement on an SLI. Could it be that we will actually agree on an SLI without arbitration? That would be absolutely historic. What an incredible start to the new Delta that would be.

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Well, these latest developments are pretty neat. My biggest concern was that DALPA would use LOA 19 as a hammer and delay any joint contract until many NWA folks had been furloughed.
Fortunately, for you guys, our union has a pretty good record of never actually using any leverage we might happen upon... But you'll understand, won't you, if I don't share in your enthusiasm for me sharing in your furloughs?

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Fortunately, for you guys, our union has a pretty good record of never actually using any leverage we might happen upon... But you'll understand, won't you, if I don't share in your enthusiasm for me sharing in your furloughs?
You shouldn't and won't share in any NWA furloughs as long as we're two separate companies. We won't share in any DAL furloughs as long as we're two separate companies. If that were the case, then I would definitely understand your lack of enthusiasm.

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You shouldn't and won't share in any NWA furloughs as long as we're two separate companies. We won't share in any DAL furloughs as long as we're two separate companies. If that were the case, then I would definitely understand your lack of enthusiasm.
I agree, and that's the best reason not to rush into a JPWA and SLI until the slow season. Then we won't have to argue about whose furloughs were whose.
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I agree, and that's the best reason not to rush into a JPWA and SLI until the slow season. Then we won't have to argue about whose furloughs were whose.
I'm with you Strip, but the JPWA got done - at least the TA is done. That train has departed the station. It would be interesting to know why DAL management wanted this rushed. It definitely raised my eyebrows when I heard DAL management asked for "round the clock" negotiations until a TA is completed. The SLI could happen any time as well - I've stopped trying to predict anything here. Too many surprises.

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My take is without the JCBA and SLI, the company cannot or will not move the flying around. With these two in place, they can move the categories around from DCC. I wouldn't be suprised to find the 747s operating out of ATL ASAP. Of course, intergration has to wait for SOC, but could they concievably put the new categories out for bid, but keep you in your old category until SOC, possibly pay protected?
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My take is without the JCBA and SLI, the company cannot or will not move the flying around. With these two in place, they can move the categories around from DCC. I wouldn't be suprised to find the 747s operating out of ATL ASAP. Of course, intergration has to wait for SOC, but could they concievably put the new categories out for bid, but keep you in your old category until SOC, possibly pay protected?
That's the thing I've been wondering about myself. I assume they will want to move some planes around ASAP. If, for example, they want some 400's in ATL, would they displace former NWA DTW 400 pilots to ATL. Or, I suppose they could theoretically start each 400 trip with a deadhead from DTW to ATL as a temporary measure until they get the single operating certificate. I'll be curious to see how it all works out.
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