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04-18-2008, 09:43 AM

#11

Bucking Bar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

really....if you decide to furlough and delta has a no furlough clause and nwa doesn't, who gets furloughed? if it's only nwa then that is a lot of leverage for delta pilots.

Answered your own question. Particularly if the DC9 fleet get rationalized.

Both you and I need a joint contract. I like the FO rates on NWA equipment, not that I'd bid any of it, and it sets a foundation to build on that is good for you.

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04-24-2008, 07:41 PM

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NWA320pilot

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What will be the current rates on the 777, 757/767 and MD-80? Also when DAL has a training event for a new aircraft what length freeze is inquired?

Thanks

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04-25-2008, 04:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

What will be the current rates on the 777, 757/767 and MD-80?

These are the current Delta rates (as of January 1st, 2008), with the new LOA 19 rates mixed in. None of these include the 5% bump on January 1st, 2009, or the subsequent 4% annual bump-ups.

Code:

Year 12                      Capt      F/O

747-400                    $191.13  ~$130.54
777                        $191.13   $130.54
747-200                    $187.50  ~$128.06
787                        $183.10  ~$125.06
B-767-400ER                $180.54   $123.21 
A-330                      $174.08  ~$118.90
B-757/B-767-300/-300ER     $159.98   $109.27
B737-700/-800 *            $153.42   $104.79
A-319/320                  $148.03  ~$101.10
MD-90                      $145.38   $ 99.29
MD-88                      $141.97   $ 96.27
DC-9                       $138.05  ~$ 94.29

* Incorporates LOA 19 change bringing 737-700 
pay into parity with 737-800 (up from current 
rate of $138.05)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

Also when DAL has a training event for a new aircraft what length freeze is inquired?

It's a 2-year aircraft lock for a training event, except 767 to 7ER and M88 to M90 (or M90 to M88), which are 9 months. (7ER to 767 is free.)

04-25-2008, 04:46 AM

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nw320driver

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Thanks for posting, StripAlert.

04-25-2008, 08:46 AM

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sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

really....

it's the carrot in front of the NWA pilots. the sooner you give into deltas idea of a SLI the sooner you get the raise. there is no incentive for delta to negociate, only nwa.

besides the pay if you decide to furlough and delta has a no furlough clause and nwa doesn't, who gets furloughed? if it's only nwa then that is a lot of leverage for delta pilots. I don't know if it works that way but if it does, and you start furloughing, you have to ask yourself would delta pilots just walk away at that point.

Again Eric you seem to have very bad information. DALPA has put out in print several times that they want to complete a new joint contract before we resume any discussions on the SLI. That removes LOA 19 as leverage against the NWA pilots. Please read all the information.

04-25-2008, 09:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StripAlert

These are the current Delta rates (as of January 1st, 2008), with the new LOA 19 rates mixed in. None of these include the 5% bump on January 1st, 2009, or the subsequent 4% annual bump-ups.

Code:

Year 12                      Capt      F/O

747-400                    $191.13  ~$130.54
777                        $191.13   $130.54
747-200                    $187.50  ~$128.06
787                        $183.10  ~$125.06
B-767-400ER                $180.54   $123.21 
A-330                      $174.08  ~$118.90
B-757/B-767-300/-300ER     $159.98   $109.27
B737-700/-800 *            $153.42   $104.79
A-319/320                  $148.03  ~$101.10
MD-90                      $145.38   $ 99.29
MD-88                      $141.97   $ 96.27
DC-9                       $138.05  ~$ 94.29

* Incorporates LOA 19 change bringing 737-700 
pay into parity with 737-800 (up from current 
rate of $138.05)

It's a 2-year aircraft lock for a training event, except 767 to 7ER and M88 to M90 (or M90 to M88), which are 9 months. (7ER to 767 is free.)

I'm a 320 FO and thinking about bidding the 757....FOUR year training freeze for us (NWA..320 to 757) as it stands now. Any thoughts on if that will all change with the merger?? Hate to get tied up for FOUR years...but I can bid it this Fall (frozen on the 320 til then)

Thanks...

04-25-2008, 10:05 AM

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newKnow

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Yeah, what are the training freezes at DAL?

04-25-2008, 10:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by newKnow

Yeah, what are the training freezes at DAL?

I think someone just said it above. But it's 2 year lock for a training event.

04-25-2008, 11:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddoggin

I think someone just said it above. But it's 2 year lock for a training event.

It is a 2 year freeze from the date the advance entitlement come out, not your training event!

I was awarded B777 F/O in Aug 07, Sims Dec 07, IOE's Jan 08 & on the line Feb 08. I can bid a new category starting Aug 09.

Kevin

04-25-2008, 12:02 PM

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joel payne

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Other pay rates at DAL-

Delta CEO's 2007 compensation more than $11M. Not bad for 4 months of work.

Delta-NW merger would axe 1,000 headquarters jobs. What the heck, how did you think I was going to be able to get paid $11M?

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/25/08
Delta Air Lines Chief Executive Richard Anderson received more than $11 million in compensation last year after he took the reins at the Atlanta-based carrier, according to its proxy statement filed Thursday.

Anderson's who became Delta's CEO last September, was paid $200,000 in salary during the last four months of the year.

As Delta disclosed several months ago, Anderson also received stock-related compensation totaling more than $10.5 million. Delta said Anderson received other compensation totaling about $528,000.

A Delta spokesman said the value of those stock options and other awards has declined as Delta's share price has declined. "Delta's compensation philosophy is that the majority of compensation should be at risk and tied directly to the company's performance," said Delta's Kent Landers.

According to the proxy, Delta President Ed Bastian received $421,677 in salary and more than $9 million in stock-related awards, plus other compensation of about $795,000.

Michael Campbell, Delta's executive vice president-human resources, got a $346,813 salary, almost $5.5 million in stock awards, and other compensation totaling $428,820.