can Delta pilots help me to understand why they walked from a better deal?
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can Delta pilots help me to understand why they walked from a better deal?
Can any Delta pilot please help me to understand how or why:
1. there was a better offer on the table, benefiting nwa pilots and Delta pilots
2. only the seniority integration was not agreed upon.
3. nwa merger committee proposed arbitration
4. Delta MEC said no way…
5. signed there own deal with DAL management benefiting them
6. and then as part of that agreement, agreed to arbitration to settle seniority integration
why didn’t they take the better deal on the table before with the condition of arbitration?
I've heard a lot from Delta guys about what nwa merger wanted, and it sounds different than what nwa guys are hearing. I don't think this DOH, DOH, DOH that you are hearing is 100% accurate. In any case, it was clear the parties couldn't agree, and arbitration is where it was headed anyway.
1. there was a better offer on the table, benefiting nwa pilots and Delta pilots
2. only the seniority integration was not agreed upon.
3. nwa merger committee proposed arbitration
4. Delta MEC said no way…
5. signed there own deal with DAL management benefiting them
6. and then as part of that agreement, agreed to arbitration to settle seniority integration
why didn’t they take the better deal on the table before with the condition of arbitration?
I've heard a lot from Delta guys about what nwa merger wanted, and it sounds different than what nwa guys are hearing. I don't think this DOH, DOH, DOH that you are hearing is 100% accurate. In any case, it was clear the parties couldn't agree, and arbitration is where it was headed anyway.
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Can any Delta pilot please help me to understand how or why:
1. there was a better offer on the table, benefiting nwa pilots and Delta pilots
2. only the seniority integration was not agreed upon.
3. nwa merger committee proposed arbitration
4. Delta MEC said no way…
5. signed there own deal with DAL management benefiting them
6. and then as part of that agreement, agreed to arbitration to settle seniority integration
why didn’t they take the better deal on the table before with the condition of arbitration?
I've heard a lot from Delta guys about what nwa merger wanted, and it sounds different than what nwa guys are hearing. I don't think this DOH, DOH, DOH that you are hearing is 100% accurate. In any case, it was clear the parties couldn't agree, and arbitration is where it was headed anyway.
1. there was a better offer on the table, benefiting nwa pilots and Delta pilots
2. only the seniority integration was not agreed upon.
3. nwa merger committee proposed arbitration
4. Delta MEC said no way…
5. signed there own deal with DAL management benefiting them
6. and then as part of that agreement, agreed to arbitration to settle seniority integration
why didn’t they take the better deal on the table before with the condition of arbitration?
I've heard a lot from Delta guys about what nwa merger wanted, and it sounds different than what nwa guys are hearing. I don't think this DOH, DOH, DOH that you are hearing is 100% accurate. In any case, it was clear the parties couldn't agree, and arbitration is where it was headed anyway.
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I've heard a lot from Delta guys about what nwa merger wanted, and it sounds different than what nwa guys are hearing. I don't think this DOH, DOH, DOH that you are hearing is 100% accurate. In any case, it was clear the parties couldn't agree, and arbitration is where it was headed anyway.
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You are correct DOH was not their opener . NW wanted better than DOH to compensate for upcoming retirements. Which I think would be cool if we also counted airframe retirements. Oh wait, we would be one happy family when it came to parking aircraft but when it came to retirements we had to protect the "NW retirements." Sound fair to you?
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Ready,
Now since that career decision is so difficult for you to make, why not have someone else make that decision for you? With that decision being final.
Arbitration should be a last case scenario, it's the easy out and in no way guarantees that everyone gets a fair deal.
We haven't left our ALPA brother's behind, I wouldn't be so quick on making snap judgements like that. The contract is a foundation for an even better contract after an adequate SLI can be achieved.
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The company changed their mind on the merger. Some say fuel prices and some say they were going to do it all along. We will never know. The joint contract was long gone at this point. Dalpa's contract had several items in the scope section that would have made a merger expensive for Delta. Delta asked for waivers on those items. Mainly it dealt with Midwest Express, Total number of RJ's and restrictions on international code share hours. Dalpa agreed to those changes in exchange for higher raises then the old contract. 3.5% more in 09. This is a LOA not a new contract. Delta has pointed out from the day of the merger annoucement that a joint contract has to be negotiated with Delta and NWA. Delta has no legal or other ability to renegotiate the NWA working agreement. Can you imagine the screaming if we tried to change NWA's contract. That is up to the NWA pilots. No one has been left behind. In fact exactly the opposite has occurred. Dalpa has raised the bar for the joint contract and insured higher raises for everyone. If both sides get their act together LOA 19 should never ever take effect. We will all work under a new joint contract. The only thing any NWA pilot should be mad about on LOA 19 was that we did not get more.
One last thing to point out. In every prior Delta merger going back to Chicago and Southern the pilots were brought up to Delta pay over a period of years. Dalpa insistend and helped achieve immediate pay parity in the joint contract that did not go into effect. Hopefully we can achieve the same on the joint contract to come.
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The reason this was restarted is because the investors and creditors insisted it happen. Don't paint Delta as the good guy, money is at the insistance of the investors and creditors and the deal will happen with or without the cooperation of Delta or Northwest pilots so board the train it's about to leave the station!
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You are correct DOH was not their opener . NW wanted better than DOH to compensate for upcoming retirements. Which I think would be cool if we also counted airframe retirements. Oh wait, we would be one happy family when it came to parking aircraft but when it came to retirements we had to protect the "NW retirements." Sound fair to you?
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