Deez340

From your lips......

Carl

It's half of a colloquialism. "From your/my lips to God's ears" It's meant to say "if only that were true" or "I hope you're right."

Apparently there's hope and positivity in ole' Carl after all.

DAL4EVER

Ditto here. Every one of them is the same. But what's this about them buying beer? I only get hot dogs in Vegas from them.

Carl Spackler

I see. So...you shouldn't notice your downside risk? You shouldn't notice where you might be vulnerable in any transaction? You shouldn't plan 3 or 4 moves ahead on the chessboard while strategizing how to improve where you are weak? All so that you don't fall into that "airline pilot trap" of being so negative?

I wear glasses when I fly, but they're not rose colored.

Carl

S3toHerk

"Furlough protection improvements - from merger announcement until 24 months after DCC, no pilot can be furloughed due to the merger. Remains subject to force majeure."

Furlough clause is already in effect, if the pilots approve LOA#19.

Carl, I feel for you, but when this whole thing was put together did you really think that the deal wasn't going to go through just because we pilots couldn't agree on a SLI? Everyone would have been better off if we agreed on the .5% relative senority, but that bus has left the station. DAL MEC did what he had to do. I hope NWA MEC can catch up to the bus.

"BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest MEC to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement (emphasis added)"
Delta MEC

sailingfun

[quote=7576FO;370550]When I was little I rode on Western DC-10's.
I'm sure Western probably got a pay raise after being bought by Delta.
Also granted DL flew more Int;l than Western.

At the time of the merger Western had 9 DC10-10 (Short range model). They did not fly any international other then mexico and canada which is normally considered domestic. The next largest aircraft after the DC-10 was the 727.

tsquare

When I was a snipe on the 72 in SLC, I cannot remember the times when a WAL captain... (or FO for that matter) didn't buy rounds. MOST.. not all were happy with where they were.. The ones you had to watch out for were... ready for this? Northeast pilots....

I feel fortunate to have flown with so many WAL guys. They brought a different perspective to the game, and made me the great pilot I am today

I surely miss Montana.. God bless you Moose, wherever you are.

Jughead

Thanks for your insight. Since you were there, you have a better perspective than most/all who post here. Funny how generalities and blanket statements morph into "fact" if repeated enough.

Carl Spackler

What "deal" are you referrering to? If you mean the merger, it hasn't gone through yet as you know. If you mean the one-sided LOA, it's not that I didn't think it would go through, I just never thought DALPA would ever do anything like that. That was plowing totally new ground within ALPA as to how pilots deal with each other. Justify it all you want, but it has never happened before, and I think UAL/CAL/AMR and others are glad for the heads up. However, as I've previously posted, there is a way to still make it right and please everyone. Looking forward for DALPA to implement the suggestion.

Carl.

PS: I have a feeling that you don't "feel" for anyone.

tsquare

Hypothetical question: If NWA gets DOH, with the out of seniority red guys continuing to hold the "premium flying", AND NWA is brought up to parity IMMEDIATELY upon consummation of this merger, AND we are able AS A SINGLE UNIFIED PILOT GROUP to negotiate a contract that is improved on LOA 19, will you feel differently about the tactics that DALPA took?

Steve

Talk amongst yourselves

S3toHerk

Carl,

I say my words with no anger or resentment. I have read all your posts and listened to your plight. I have a right to "feel" for you and respectfully disagree with you at the same time.

The "deal" I was referring to was the original offer from the company to both pilot groups that both MECs agreed to that became void when the MECs couldn't agree on a SLI. What we both lost will come out with time. From my perspective (and a lot of others that have posted) the original LOA was not lopsided, and Delta MEC SLI was reasonable. What is considered reasonable is a matter of opinion. On this, we may have to agree to disagree.

I am happy with Delta's MEC. I'm hoping for resolution to this situation. I can see that things could get a lot worse for the NWA pilots, and no one in Delta's pilot's group wants that, believe it or not.

Respect.

S3