NWA/DELTA Roadshows
05-06-2008, 01:53 PM
#31
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With dynamic senority there are no fences.... Basically when a NWA pilot retires a NWA pilot moves up to his position. On the other hand the same is true when a DAL pilot retires a DAL pilot moves up a number. Your DAL senority would determine what you could hold same as today.
With dynamic senority both sides will reap the benefits of their upcoming retirements and neither side has an advantage. The only question with dynamic senority is at what ratio do you slot the list to begin with...... Personally I believe that we will come up with something that is along these lines. By doing this everyone is put on a level playing field. The retirement of aircraft be it -9, 80, or anything else would work out based on senority within DAL since we will all be DAL pilots post merger.
With dynamic senority both sides will reap the benefits of their upcoming retirements and neither side has an advantage. The only question with dynamic senority is at what ratio do you slot the list to begin with...... Personally I believe that we will come up with something that is along these lines. By doing this everyone is put on a level playing field. The retirement of aircraft be it -9, 80, or anything else would work out based on senority within DAL since we will all be DAL pilots post merger.
05-06-2008, 02:13 PM
#32
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Dynamic sli
Has this ever been done before?
Your copilot today may be senior to you tomorrow...?
The merger that never ends...dynamic for 5 years, 10 years, forever?
Would this not be a huge consession on the DAL side for 5 to 7 years, considering nwa upcoming retirements far outnumber dal retirements? Time is money.
We're all delta pilots, but not all advancing equally. A 1000+ DnEwLaTA pilots march gleefully past me...
Still not sure why nwa expects, (and may get), adjustments for 'before merger events', (retirements), but dal doesn't, (pension fund liquidation). Why must I be the vehicle used to compensate for what did or did not happen at your airline? Not a rant, just a question.
Your copilot today may be senior to you tomorrow...?
The merger that never ends...dynamic for 5 years, 10 years, forever?
Would this not be a huge consession on the DAL side for 5 to 7 years, considering nwa upcoming retirements far outnumber dal retirements? Time is money.
We're all delta pilots, but not all advancing equally. A 1000+ DnEwLaTA pilots march gleefully past me...
Still not sure why nwa expects, (and may get), adjustments for 'before merger events', (retirements), but dal doesn't, (pension fund liquidation). Why must I be the vehicle used to compensate for what did or did not happen at your airline? Not a rant, just a question.
Last edited by Widebody; 05-06-2008 at 03:07 PM. Reason: Added content
05-06-2008, 03:28 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Widebody
Has this ever been done before?
Your copilot today may be senior to you tomorrow...?
The merger that never ends...dynamic for 5 years, 10 years, forever?
Would this not be a huge consession on the DAL side for 5 to 7 years, considering nwa upcoming retirements far outnumber dal retirements? Time is money.
We're all delta pilots, but not all advancing equally. A 1000+ DnEwLaTA pilots march gleefully past me...
Still not sure why nwa expects, (and may get), adjustments for 'before merger events', (retirements), but dal doesn't, (pension fund liquidation). Why must I be the vehicle used to compensate for what did or did not happen at your airline? Not a rant, just a question.
Your copilot today may be senior to you tomorrow...?
The merger that never ends...dynamic for 5 years, 10 years, forever?
Would this not be a huge consession on the DAL side for 5 to 7 years, considering nwa upcoming retirements far outnumber dal retirements? Time is money.
We're all delta pilots, but not all advancing equally. A 1000+ DnEwLaTA pilots march gleefully past me...
Still not sure why nwa expects, (and may get), adjustments for 'before merger events', (retirements), but dal doesn't, (pension fund liquidation). Why must I be the vehicle used to compensate for what did or did not happen at your airline? Not a rant, just a question.
05-06-2008, 03:58 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by Widebody
Has this ever been done before?
Your copilot today may be senior to you tomorrow...?
The merger that never ends...dynamic for 5 years, 10 years, forever?
Would this not be a huge consession on the DAL side for 5 to 7 years, considering nwa upcoming retirements far outnumber dal retirements? Time is money.We're all delta pilots, but not all advancing equally. A 1000+ DnEwLaTA pilots march gleefully past me...
Still not sure why nwa expects, (and may get), adjustments for 'before merger events', (retirements), but dal doesn't, (pension fund liquidation). Why must I be the vehicle used to compensate for what did or did not happen at your airline? Not a rant, just a question.
Your copilot today may be senior to you tomorrow...?
The merger that never ends...dynamic for 5 years, 10 years, forever?
Would this not be a huge consession on the DAL side for 5 to 7 years, considering nwa upcoming retirements far outnumber dal retirements? Time is money.We're all delta pilots, but not all advancing equally. A 1000+ DnEwLaTA pilots march gleefully past me...
Still not sure why nwa expects, (and may get), adjustments for 'before merger events', (retirements), but dal doesn't, (pension fund liquidation). Why must I be the vehicle used to compensate for what did or did not happen at your airline? Not a rant, just a question.
05-06-2008, 04:53 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
It's basically the same as a slotted list, right? Where Seniority Number ABC will always have an NWA guy in it, and Number ABC+1 will always have a DAL guy? That will be a tough sell...
And to continue this thought, what will happen when the big economic downturn occurs, and the DAL pilots (or NWA pilots) are waiting their turn for advancement due to retirements? Tough cookies? Nope.. the more I think about this the less I like it.
Last edited by tsquare; 05-06-2008 at 05:00 PM.
05-06-2008, 04:57 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by Roll Inverted and Pull
NWA320pilot....dream on.
Even on these boards the dynamic concept has been discussed and DAL pilots questioned what happens in 10 years when DAL seees large retirements. In this case the movement would be seen by DAL.
There is a lot more to dynamic senority than just retirements. Working out an equitable ratio is a big stumbling block in itself. I for one want to see all pilots from both DAL and NWA prosper!
05-06-2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So what I would like to see is that list projected 5 years, 10 years, 15 years etc... hence, and see how it all pans out. I agree.. it would be a tough sell.
And to continue this thought, what will happen when the big economic downturn occurs, and the DAL pilots (or NWA pilots) are waiting their turn for advancement due to retirements? Tough cookies? Nope.. the more I think about this the less I like it.
And to continue this thought, what will happen when the big economic downturn occurs, and the DAL pilots (or NWA pilots) are waiting their turn for advancement due to retirements? Tough cookies? Nope.. the more I think about this the less I like it.
