DAL & NWA Pilots To Take Contract to Management on May 29th
05-29-2008, 11:26 AM
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By the way a no furlough clause is seldom worth the paper on which it is printed. When economic push comes to shove management will find a way to furlough. Something in the recent Delta past comes to mind........Force Majure.
05-29-2008, 12:12 PM
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I am sure that we will see protections for both groups in the event of a furlough. I think that both sides will take hits if it comes to this. It will be out of seniority order, but it may need to be what is done to get this done. I do not want an arbitrator deciding my fate for the next 32 years. Fact is that we all want this to be black and white. Fact is that both sides see it from all angles and no one wants to get screwed. Makes sense.
It will be a difficult process to get us together. Long term thinking is needed. We cannot look at the next 5-10 years we need to look at the next 15-20.
The SLI will result in many people being unhappy. It is what it is. Either way, let hope that we get enough "growth" aircraft so that we can easily get over the "injustices" done by the SLI.
It will be a difficult process to get us together. Long term thinking is needed. We cannot look at the next 5-10 years we need to look at the next 15-20.
The SLI will result in many people being unhappy. It is what it is. Either way, let hope that we get enough "growth" aircraft so that we can easily get over the "injustices" done by the SLI.
05-29-2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
This contract is not going to happen like the last one. It will be many months before there is a agreement if one can be reached at all. The issue of the DC-9's is looming larger and larger with each fuel increase. Management is not going to agree to a no furlough clause and its going to bog the whole process down.
You're wrong about the DC-9's. Outside analysts are confirming what I've been hearing for quite some time. The NWA DC-9's are particularly interesting at this time because of their flexibility. Since they are owned outright, they can be parked and they don't cost the company a penny. MD-88's (for example) can be parked also, but the company still owes the lease payments. Thus, parking MD-88's mean the loss of revenue plus the requirement to continue lease payments. Makes it a double whammy. This is why the DC-9's are still here. This is why (in my opinion) they will be here for quite some time. Their increased fuel burn is far outweighed by the flexibility inherent in them because of their no ownership cost, and their no cost to park.
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05-29-2008, 02:14 PM
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Since they are owned outright, they can be parked and they don't cost the company a penny. MD-88's (for example) can be parked also, but the company still owes the lease payments. Thus, parking MD-88's mean the loss of revenue plus the requirement to continue lease payments. Makes it a double whammy. This is why the DC-9's are still here. This is why (in my opinion) they will be here for quite some time. Their increased fuel burn is far outweighed by the flexibility inherent in them because of their no ownership cost, and their no cost to park.
This statement doesn't keep the 9's flying it confirms the argument to park them...parking the 88's still costs the company money, parking the 9's saves money....you sure your a 400 CPT...
This statement doesn't keep the 9's flying it confirms the argument to park them...parking the 88's still costs the company money, parking the 9's saves money....you sure your a 400 CPT...
05-29-2008, 04:18 PM
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Lots of conflicting rumors about the DAL/NWA ability to withstand the current spike in jet fuel costs, all the way from needing to hire to immediate furloughs. Hoping you guys get it worked out and start hiring in the fall like it's projected on this site. What makes you think it won't work out that way?
05-29-2008, 04:34 PM
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Second hand news, but Flight Ops management has a lounge brief every Wednesday. At yesturday's briefing management admitted that fuel prices have put the DC9 under increased scrutiny and the question whether it remains in Delta's fleet is being evaluated.
Delta still supposed to be hiring around 400 this fall, pending an SLI agreement. With an SLI my understanding is that the status of future hiring is not currently known.
I'll defer to anyone who was actually at the meeting, since this all came to me second hand.
Delta still supposed to be hiring around 400 this fall, pending an SLI agreement. With an SLI my understanding is that the status of future hiring is not currently known.
I'll defer to anyone who was actually at the meeting, since this all came to me second hand.
05-29-2008, 04:43 PM
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2007 GAl Fuel Burn / CASM (including aircraft acquisition costs, crew, maintenance, Taxes & Insurance)
DC9-30__ 762 / 11.1
DC9-40__ 797 / 9.5
DC9-50__ 867 / 8.8
MD88__ 884 / 7.5
747-200 _ 3321 / 6.6
A319 __ 703 / 6.1
737-8__ 778 / 5.6
7572 NWA__ 994 / 6.0
7572 DAL___ 976 / 5.4
753 NWA __ 1177 / 4.2
767300ER__ 1558 / 5.6
767400 __ 1676 / 4.5
A330__ 1816 / 4.3
B777___ 2220 / 5.9
B747400 _ 3335 / 5.0
DC9-30__ 762 / 11.1
DC9-40__ 797 / 9.5
DC9-50__ 867 / 8.8
MD88__ 884 / 7.5
747-200 _ 3321 / 6.6
A319 __ 703 / 6.1
737-8__ 778 / 5.6
7572 NWA__ 994 / 6.0
7572 DAL___ 976 / 5.4
753 NWA __ 1177 / 4.2
767300ER__ 1558 / 5.6
767400 __ 1676 / 4.5
A330__ 1816 / 4.3
B777___ 2220 / 5.9
B747400 _ 3335 / 5.0
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