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#41
You nay sayers can say what you want but I'm impressed that we were able to negotiate more improvements in this current economic environment. The GS pay is a huge coup in my opinion and I'm VERY happy to see immediate parity from day 1 for the NWA folks.
I have a bunch of friends getting laid off from UAL and CAL right now, so I really consider myself lucky.
So far we are the only legacy that has gotten any raises post 9/11 and BK....no matter what you think of Moak, you have to give him that. We've done allright given the circumstances.
I have a bunch of friends getting laid off from UAL and CAL right now, so I really consider myself lucky.
So far we are the only legacy that has gotten any raises post 9/11 and BK....no matter what you think of Moak, you have to give him that. We've done allright given the circumstances.
#43
You nay sayers can say what you want but I'm impressed that we were able to negotiate more improvements in this current economic environment. The GS pay is a huge coup in my opinion and I'm VERY happy to see immediate parity from day 1 for the NWA folks.
I have a bunch of friends getting laid off from UAL and CAL right now, so I really consider myself lucky.
So far we are the only legacy that has gotten any raises post 9/11 and BK....no matter what you think of Moak, you have to give him that. We've done allright given the circumstances.
I have a bunch of friends getting laid off from UAL and CAL right now, so I really consider myself lucky.
So far we are the only legacy that has gotten any raises post 9/11 and BK....no matter what you think of Moak, you have to give him that. We've done allright given the circumstances.
#44
Flare-
I was happy to see the restoration of GS pay as well, but I've had a little time to think about it and I hope my fears are not borne out. Here's the deal- I'm senior enough in my category to get a GS any day I want (and there are dozens), but like most regular lineholders, it hasn't been worth my time or trouble since LOA 46.
And the company knows this- the vast majority of trip coverage this summer has been IA and GS to junior reserves doing "rolling thunder", which exhausts the available reserves very quickly and leaves the company with nobody to cover open flying.
Sooooo, suddenly the company is concerned enough to approach DALPA about "how do we get guys interested in flying overtime"? (Yes- the company expressed this concern first- not us.)
So follow the money...what's really going on? I fear it may be this- the company knows- or strongly suspects- that furloughs will follow the "rationalization" of the two fleets. They know they can't get lineholders to fly overtime now, so it's going to be a real hard sell with pilots on the street.
Sooooo, suddenly they're willing to sweeten the pay, reduce the trigger, AND count vacation and CQ toward the trigger. Just as the rest of the industry is furloughing en masse...
Well of course I hope I am wrong.
And duly noted is the fact that the vast majority of the greenslipping today is among our junior reserves. Those who are most vulnerable to furlough seem unconcerned with convincing the company that a furlough is NOT in its best interest...and will be the first to scream if anyone greenslips once they can't...
But who am I to say...like I said I hope we can dodge the furlough bullet altogether.
Soup
I was happy to see the restoration of GS pay as well, but I've had a little time to think about it and I hope my fears are not borne out. Here's the deal- I'm senior enough in my category to get a GS any day I want (and there are dozens), but like most regular lineholders, it hasn't been worth my time or trouble since LOA 46.
And the company knows this- the vast majority of trip coverage this summer has been IA and GS to junior reserves doing "rolling thunder", which exhausts the available reserves very quickly and leaves the company with nobody to cover open flying.
Sooooo, suddenly the company is concerned enough to approach DALPA about "how do we get guys interested in flying overtime"? (Yes- the company expressed this concern first- not us.)
So follow the money...what's really going on? I fear it may be this- the company knows- or strongly suspects- that furloughs will follow the "rationalization" of the two fleets. They know they can't get lineholders to fly overtime now, so it's going to be a real hard sell with pilots on the street.
Sooooo, suddenly they're willing to sweeten the pay, reduce the trigger, AND count vacation and CQ toward the trigger. Just as the rest of the industry is furloughing en masse...
Well of course I hope I am wrong.
And duly noted is the fact that the vast majority of the greenslipping today is among our junior reserves. Those who are most vulnerable to furlough seem unconcerned with convincing the company that a furlough is NOT in its best interest...and will be the first to scream if anyone greenslips once they can't...
But who am I to say...like I said I hope we can dodge the furlough bullet altogether.
Soup
#45
And duly noted is the fact that the vast majority of the greenslipping today is among our junior reserves. Those who are most vulnerable to furlough seem unconcerned with convincing the company that a furlough is NOT in its best interest...and will be the first to scream if anyone greenslips once they can't...
Furthermore, flying overtime while guys are on the street would non only be un-cool, it would delay the return of folks junior to everyone who will bump up the relative seniority of the entire group. And justifying it because those same guys are taking advantage of the shortage now--when they make less than half of your hourly rate--while everyone has an equal opportunity to G/S is just ignorant. If you want to do it, you're senior to them, so bid reserve and G/S away.
I had the unique privilege, at my previous company, of being in the F/E seat when the captain (Delta early retiree, and a great guy) began boasting about greenslipping after the 9/11 furloughs, to the tune of over half a million dollars in one year. Good for him, but his SA radar was in STBY. The F/O had been one of those furloughees. Funniness ensued. (Karma's a cruel mistress, though. The captain is still working the angles on post-60 ex-pat flying to pay for the big house, boat, car, airplane, and ex-wife collection, while the F/O is still flying the 747, but now for UPS.)
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#46
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#47
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You nay sayers can say what you want but I'm impressed that we were able to negotiate more improvements in this current economic environment. The GS pay is a huge coup in my opinion and I'm VERY happy to see immediate parity from day 1 for the NWA folks.
I have a bunch of friends getting laid off from UAL and CAL right now, so I really consider myself lucky.
So far we are the only legacy that has gotten any raises post 9/11 and BK....no matter what you think of Moak, you have to give him that. We've done allright given the circumstances.
I have a bunch of friends getting laid off from UAL and CAL right now, so I really consider myself lucky.
So far we are the only legacy that has gotten any raises post 9/11 and BK....no matter what you think of Moak, you have to give him that. We've done allright given the circumstances.
This could be an opportunity for us. We could use to our advantage the prospective increase in pricing power to recover some of our lost income and benifits. I'll tell you one thing, extending our contract 3 years with a 2% increase in DC over the next three and one half years is not IMHO not a great deal.
But opinions and instructions are the same: just another man's point of view.
#48
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
I'm not opposed to this merger. I'm not opposed to NW and Delta pilots' both interests being addressed. What is really making my blood pressure rise is the fact that we are giving the company all the tools they need to get this merger done and we see nothing until 2009. 2% increase in DC by 2012, but extending the amendable date by three years! The non contract employees got 3% raise now. Hmmm
I don't know what Kool-Aide Moak is enjoying with his smoke but I sure could use some now.
I don't know what Kool-Aide Moak is enjoying with his smoke but I sure could use some now.
crickets, crickets...
Where were your "balls" when the strike center opened in LAX during 1113? I didn't see you there. Maybe your alchemy can make more gold out of our present situation, but that will require you to actually use your balls and do some work, not take your balls and stay home.
I'll take what Moak is doing instead of what you're smoking and drinking, thanks. And I'll take what DALPA has done compared to any other group in ALPA.
#49
Was there a G/S trigger in C2K? If I take any MLOA at all, flying significantly over 82 (or even 75) hours is pretty hard. Seems like the company would want to encourage me to G/S as well. Wonder if we can get phantom credit for MLOA toward the trigger too, like with the PBS LCW? Otherwise, it's more worth my time to drill even more, or out of base W/S, since post-merger it's going to be forever before I can get to ATL with any QOL...
#50
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,919
I'm not opposed to this merger. I'm not opposed to NW and Delta pilots' both interests being addressed. What is really making my blood pressure rise is the fact that we are giving the company all the tools they need to get this merger done and we see nothing until 2009. 2% increase in DC by 2012, but extending the amendable date by three years! The non contract employees got 3% raise now. Hmmm
I don't know what Kool-Aide Moak is enjoying with his smoke but I sure could use some now.
I don't know what Kool-Aide Moak is enjoying with his smoke but I sure could use some now.
Pending we can all work out the SLI.
If your talking about LOA 19, I can kind of see the company's point of view on this one. If the Justice Department drops an ax on this deal and the company has already put into effect the new pay raises and work rules, they might need to rescind those changes. I think that situation would be bad for everyone, and make a difficult situation for the company harder.
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