Spaceman Spliff

Bingo. There was zero "parity" in this proposal--the lion's share went to NWA.

With LOA 19, 3.5% equity is split 7,000 ways. I understand the new "deal" will split 3.5% 12,000 ways. Is that correct?

Tell you what, give me the 3.5% split 7,000 ways and LOA 19 raises, keep the insulting 2% DC increase in 4 years, and put me down as a HELL NO vote.

Wake me up when the goodies are split 50/50 between groups. Until then, I'm a "no."

alfaromeo

Delta pilots get 3.5%, Northwest pilots get 2.38%. It works out to the same per capita for each group.

Deez340

Realy????? The end pay rate for those a/c in LOA 19 represent an increase of almost 30% over your current book. 179 to almost 230. Is this more "premium widebody" mentality crap? I realize you're just the messenger on this so forgive my tone, but what exactly do these babies you speak of want? DAL 777: $230, NWA 744: $231? Would that make the whale God's egos happy? Carl, do you care to weigh in on this?

nwaf16dude

From the NWALPA website...

NWA pilots receive 2.38% equity
NWA pilots receive statistically equal $$$ Equity share relative to DAL pilots within LTR 19

pretty sure that means our equity doesn't come out of your previously negotiated equity. I'm sure you'll have plenty of other reasons to hate the deal.

Superpilot92

This is a great post and very accurate. It makes you wonder if people have any idea whats going on around them.

Deez340

It sounds like they're getting 2.38 split 5000 ways. (not coming from our pot.... ie we still get the LOA 19 amount we expected) I hope that's right. I'm all militant and shiz too, but realistically in this environment what do you expect? What specific changes would elicit a yes vote from you? Not a flame. Honest question.

Superpilot92

Remind us how we are all getting pay raises in this deal? It couldnt be that NWA is bringing ALOT of CASH to this new company, COULD IT?? We at NWA arent getting 3.5% equity. The reason why any of us are getting pay raises is because of the merger and what BOTH companies are bringing to the table. We are in this together. Would you prefer less pay rates for your soon to be "Fellow Delta Pilots"? Wake up!!

Superpilot92

Thank you for the realistic view.

slowplay

Any NWA pilot that isn't happy with his new rate should be reminded of his old rate. Then have him compare it to every Delta pilot's rate increase. What kind of sense of entitlement must that pilot have? He gets to pick up two twenty dollar bills while the Delta guy only gets one, and he wants to whine? Left to his own contract and devices, he wouldn't have the opportunity for that rate increase until late 2011. Instead, he gets it January 1, 2009.

He'll get a lot of sympathy here....


Dingdingding. We have a winner. Compare the combined company to that of any network carrier:

AMR 2000 on furlough, 300 more coming
UAL 1400 notices to furlough 950 active pilots
CAL A dutch auction to mitigate the number of furloughs
LCC 300 more furloughs, split groups, and bankruptcy wages.

Aloha, Champion, Skybus, Eos, Maxjet, liquidating. Frontier in bankruptcy. Midwest parking 33% of their fleet and furloughing. Airtran is shrinking. DHL screwing their pilots, while FedEx and UPS are reporting weakening results. The list goes on.

Yup, we should be carping that the A319 is paid more than an MD-90, or an A330-200 is premium, while a 767ER isn't....

The reports from your MEC meeting will be interesting. Tell me which union has got a tougher sell.

ClipperJet

As an outside observer, I'd suggest everyone at the new Delta spend a lot less time arguing over who gets what and start figuring out how to make the new airline profitable at $140 oil or you'll find yourself arguing over how to split up 3.5% of ZERO, which is what the new DAL stock will be worth if you (yes, and managment) run the company into the ground because you think you've been treated unfairly.
Even if you have been.