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Old 07-07-2008, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff View Post
SP, I can support you on this one. The username Speedbird34, on the FI forum, spewed several posts containing very hateful, racist, and downright offensive invective, specifically in a thread concerning OBAP and their request for an appearance at a public school in Detroit. The stuff he said would cause Rev. Wright to run for cover.

I had hoped he was a different poster than the guy with the same screen name on FI. It appears that he is not.

Sorry for the thread creep.

Back to the topic: If the company is so convinced that this merger will be so lucrative, why are they so reluctant to provide more conditional candy for all of us in this TA??? And why should we balk at trying to get some consideration in the contract now, rather than waiting 4+ years?

-Swedish American/Drunk American

Spaceman,

Just out of curiosity, would you vote YES for this TA if the duration were less? Say maybe 2 years? Just pure curiousity on my part.
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff View Post
SP, I can support you on this one. The username Speedbird34, on the FI forum, spewed several posts containing very hateful, racist, and downright offensive invective, specifically in a thread concerning OBAP and their request for an appearance at a public school in Detroit. The stuff he said would cause Rev. Wright to run for cover.

I had hoped he was a different poster than the guy with the same screen name on FI. It appears that he is not.

Sorry for the thread creep.
Its him and i called him out so he could take full credit for his posts. When i did that he labeled me a racist . I am pleased though that once he realized people could figure out who he was he tamed down his hateful posts. I hope he keeps it up.
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Old 07-07-2008, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
Spaceman,

Just out of curiosity, would you vote YES for this TA if the duration were less? Say maybe 2 years? Just pure curiousity on my part.
I would be on board with 3 years and COLA+. I think it will take 18-24 months to consolidate the operating certificate. I think we'll have a pretty good idea whether or not it's working at 3 years. Let's face it, if the business plan is working, it will take a year or more to negotiate the next contract anyway (if we're serious about getting what we should).

I'd like to see the next contract solidified at 4 years, and not just in the opening phases of negotiations at that point. The farther out we push this, the more likely cabotage (or something we cannot possibly foresee) will affect us and hurt our position. History has shown that there is a penalty for not striking when the iron is hot. I need not say the words "February '08 pre-meger opportunity." But I will. Look what just a couple months cost us there...

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Old 07-07-2008, 02:36 PM
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[QUOTE=Superpilot92;420243]Now you are reaching We already discussed this on FI via PM's. You try and label anyone who discusses race in your presence a racist.

I dont have patience for racism either and you know it. My little sister is adopted and she is Hispanic and African American. I just said her heritage does that make me a racist? Stop reaching and stop trying to label everyone a racist.

I look forward to working with all of you DAL guys/gals. Have a good day


Look superpilot92 the fact your folks adopted a hispanic kid does not make you any more black. This is not about you being black nor do I really care what your personal preference towards the races may be. I just get a bit tired of your childish drone and constant bickering when someone disagrees with your point of veiw.

You may consider my veiws hateful that is your perspective. It really is not that important your just some kid who is starting to sound a little bit stupid to me preaching his same silly position on this message board over and over again like it matters.

If I am condescending towards you maybe I should be. Your post show a lack of maturity and you seem to have too much time on your hands. I am trying really hard not to build a profile of you. The images I am getting are not very good.

Try and do something worthwhile with your life and stop all this your pathetic posting on the message boards. I am starting to smell your fear and it is making me sick. Do you have a girlfreind or maybe you are one of those kids who married soon after high school. Drink a beer etc. Just do not go around ****ing of people and being too stupid to know when someone is always going to disagree with you.

Truth is I see through your posts and it is always the same crappy drone. Merger merger merger. If you do not support the merger your hateful, A racist blabla. Dig up stuff, try to discredit him, present angry black man profile. Nobody really cares and be careful I am getting to the stage were I may start assuming you are a dumb ass.

Bottom line is you are getting me to the point were I am starting to think you are the biggest fool on this message board. I wonder what kind of kids we are raising in America this days. I know you are excited to be in the company of adults and call yourself a major airline pilot. But I am beginning to understand more why there have the age limit for an ATP.

Waiting with baited breath for your reply smartass

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Old 07-07-2008, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 View Post
Now you are reaching We already discussed this on FI via PM's. You try and label anyone who discusses race in your presence a racist.

I dont have patience for racism either and you know it. My little sister is adopted and she is Hispanic and African American. I just said her heritage does that make me a racist? Stop reaching and stop trying to label everyone a racist.

I look forward to working with all of you DAL guys/gals. Have a good day
Really tired of reading your constant pro merger drone. If you feel I have toned down my veiws from my past posts maybe because some people make sense to me. Maybe an intelligent arguement was made to me.
If I am racially ignorant I would not be first in America to have that problem. You will find many on both sides of the aisle.

When some kid from Minnesota who manages to get a job flying and has parents who adopt a mixed kid and feels he is racially grounded as a result of such an adoption starts to lecture me on race, it sickens me.

I do not know what your folks motive for adoption was nor do I want to go there. It is enough to say for some people adoption is similiar to getting a pet. Maybe a really black kid was too much for you. maybe a mixed kid was preferable. Have you ever asked them why a mixed kid. Maybe so that it is not too hurtful to your eyes. You are the kid who had no choice in the matter or were you part of the process. I guess I should thank you for saving the black race.

What ever service you imagine you have done to the black people. Somethings are better left alone and my veiws espercially racially must always be judged in the context of the debate taking place at the time. I do not hate white people and in fact happen to find them admirable. I can say that and that is all that matters. I do not say it because of fear or favor. It is a good way to be and I can not tell you that every black person I know feels that way. But for those who still fear or distrust other races I would always reach across and say give it a chance.

Now as for you my very young man. You will never know what it means or feels like to be black. You do not have the intelligence to Imagine it or the empathy to feel it. I know that already from reading your posts. In many ways you are the most harmful type of individual to race relations because you are ignorant. You are not a racist just ignorant and at times I believe that is worse.

And for your information kid, you are not a Delta pilot yet. Maybe in your wet dreams but till this merger is complete and you have gone through indoctrination. You are a Northwest pilot. Not a pilot of the new Delta. It does not exist yet. You are just a kid very lucky to be a Northwest pilot.
Maybe one day if this all goes through I will get to fly with you and you better have some good stories for me about your accomplishments. It had better be something better than having a job flying a DC9 for Northwest at 27 yrs old.

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Old 07-07-2008, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34 View Post

Look superpilot92 the fact your folks adopted a hispanic kid does not make you any more black.You twisted my comments and i never tried to pretend to be "black". My point was you arent going to call me a racist, moron. This is not about you being black nor do I really care what your personal preference towards the races may beYou seem to be the only one who NEEDS to distinguish between races. I on the other hand really could care less.. I just get a bit tired of your childish drone and constant bickering when someone disagrees with your point of veiw. Childish tone? By that do you mean my positive optimistic outlook?

You may consider my veiws hateful that is your perspectiveMany people view your posts as i do and you continued to not let us down with this post.. It really is not that important your just some kid who is starting to sound a little bit stupid to me preaching his same silly position on this message board over and over again like it matters.Again another hateful post how unexpected!!

If I am condescending towards you maybe I should be. Your post show a lack of maturity and you seem to have too much time on your hands. I am trying really hard not to build a profile of you. The images I am getting are not very good.Feel free to judge me as you see fit, I dont get offended like you.

Try and do something worthwhile with your life and stop all this your pathetic posting on the message boards. I am starting to smell your fear and it is making me sick. Do you have a girlfreind or maybe you are one of those kids who married soon after high school. Drink a beer etc. Just do not go around ****ing of people and being too stupid to know when someone is always going to disagree with you.My pathetic posting? I actually use this site as it was meant as a good place to learn and debate topics.

Truth is I see through your posts and it is always the same crappy drone. Merger merger merger. If you do not support the merger your hateful, A racist blabla. Dig up stuff, try to discredit him, present angry black man profile. Nobody really cares and be careful I am getting to the stage were I may start assuming you are a dumb ass. Wrong again on all levels. You however seem to get defensive when people call you out on your hate. Why is that? I never tried to discredit you or label you. Others do however because of you past and present Hateful posts

Bottom line is you are getting me to the point were I am starting to think you are the biggest fool on this message board. I wonder what kind of kids we are raising in America this days. I know you are excited to be in the company of adults and call yourself a major airline pilot. Pot calling Kettle Huh? Thanks again for an accurate representation of your mentality.But I am beginning to understand more why there have the age limit for an ATP. Huh? Another pointless comment maybe?

And for your information kid you are not a Delta pilot yet. Maybe in your wet dreams but till this merger is complete and you have gone through indoctrination. You are a Northwest pilot. Not a pilot of the new Delta. It does not exist yet. You are just a kid very lucky to be a Northwest pilot.
Maybe one day if this all goes through I will get to fly with you and you better have some good stories for me about your accomplishments. It had better be something better than having a job flying a DC9 for Northwest at 27 yrs old.Another classic example of your intriguing replies. You are making your DAL co-workers proud i am sure.

Waiting with baited breath for your reply smartass
You just proved my point thank you

By the way I am not the only one that pointed out your hateful posts and condescending tone. You have been called out by people on this board as well as FI by not only NWA pilots but DAL pilots. (reference Spaceman Spliffs posts above)

Throughout this whole process i have tried to maintain a positive attitude towards everything. You on the other hand have maintained a distaste towards everything to do with NWA. By all means continue to live your hateful life but i refuse to live that way. Sorry champ

ANY OF YOU DAL FOLKS WANT TO CLAIM THIS ONE? LOKKS LIKE HE SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS!!

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Old 07-07-2008, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34 View Post
Really tired of reading your constant pro merger drone. If you feel I have toned down my veiws from my past posts maybe because some people make sense to me. Maybe an intelligent arguement was made to me.
If I am racially ignorant I would not be first in America to have that problem. You will find many on both sides of the aisle.

When some kid from Minnesota who manages to get a job flying and has parents who adopt a mixed kid and feels he is racially grounded as a result of such an adoption starts to lecture me on race, it sickens me.

I do not know what your folks motive for adoption was nor do I want to go there. It is enough to say for some people adoption is similiar to getting a pet. Maybe a really black kid was too much for you. maybe a mixed kid was preferable. Have you ever asked them why a mixed kid. Maybe so that it is not too hurtful to your eyes. You are the kid who had no choice in the matter or were you part of the process. I guess I should thank you for saving the black race.

What ever service you imagine you have done to the black people. Somethings are better left alone and my veiws espercially racially must always be judged in the context of the debate taking place at the time. I do not hate white people and in fact happen to find them admirable. I can say that and that is all that matters. I do not say it because of fear or favor. It is a good way to be and I can not tell you that every black person I know feels that way. But for those who still fear or distrust other races I would always reach across and say give it a chance.

Now as for you my very young man. You will never know what it means or feels like to be black. You do not have the intelligence to Imagine it or the empathy to feel it. I know that already from reading your posts. In many ways you are the most harmful type of individual to race relations because you are ignorant. You are not a racist just ignorant and at times I believe that is worse.

And for your information kid, you are not a Delta pilot yet. Maybe in your wet dreams but till this merger is complete and you have gone through indoctrination. You are a Northwest pilot. Not a pilot of the new Delta. It does not exist yet. You are just a kid very lucky to be a Northwest pilot.
Maybe one day if this all goes through I will get to fly with you and you better have some good stories for me about your accomplishments. It had better be something better than having a job flying a DC9 for Northwest at 27 yrs old.

MY FRIEND YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY FALLEN OFF THE DEEP END!! WOW!!
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34 View Post
Look superpilot92 the fact your folks adopted a hispanic kid does not make you any more black. This is not about you being black nor do I really care what your personal preference towards the races may be. I just get a bit tired of your childish drone and constant bickering when someone disagrees with your point of veiw.

You may consider my veiws hateful that is your perspective. It really is not that important your just some kid who is starting to sound a little bit stupid to me preaching his same silly position on this message board over and over again like it matters.

If I am condescending towards you maybe I should be. Your post show a lack of maturity and you seem to have too much time on your hands. I am trying really hard not to build a profile of you. The images I am getting are not very good.

Try and do something worthwhile with your life and stop all this your pathetic posting on the message boards. I am starting to smell your fear and it is making me sick. Do you have a girlfreind or maybe you are one of those kids who married soon after high school. Drink a beer etc. Just do not go around ****ing of people and being too stupid to know when someone is always going to disagree with you.

Truth is I see through your posts and it is always the same crappy drone. Merger merger merger. If you do not support the merger your hateful, A racist blabla. Dig up stuff, try to discredit him, present angry black man profile. Nobody really cares and be careful I am getting to the stage were I may start assuming you are a dumb ass.

Bottom line is you are getting me to the point were I am starting to think you are the biggest fool on this message board. I wonder what kind of kids we are raising in America this days. I know you are excited to be in the company of adults and call yourself a major airline pilot. But I am beginning to understand more why there have the age limit for an ATP.

Waiting with baited breath for your reply smartass


Kinda the pot calling the kettle black right there, huh?

If his perspective doesn't matter to you, then why do you constantly reply? And I have to say Speedbird, your posts are also the same thing, over and over about how you won't support the TA and your fellow DAL pilots should raise up against management.

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Kinda the pot calling the kettle black right there, huh?
Careful you said the word "black" you will be labeled a racist
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Really tired of reading your constant pro merger drone. If you feel I have toned down my veiws from my past posts maybe because some people make sense to me. Maybe an intelligent arguement was made to me.
If I am racially ignorant I would not be first in America to have that problem. You will find many on both sides of the aisle.

When some kid from Minnesota who manages to get a job flying and has parents who adopt a mixed kid and feels he is racially grounded as a result of such an adoption starts to lecture me on race, it sickens me.

I do not know what your folks motive for adoption was nor do I want to go there. It is enough to say for some people adoption is similiar to getting a pet. Maybe a really black kid was too much for you. maybe a mixed kid was preferable. Have you ever asked them why a mixed kid. Maybe so that it is not too hurtful to your eyes. You are the kid who had no choice in the matter or were you part of the process. I guess I should thank you for saving the black race.

What ever service you imagine you have done to the black people. Somethings are better left alone and my veiws espercially racially must always be judged in the context of the debate taking place at the time. I do not hate white people and in fact happen to find them admirable. I can say that and that is all that matters. I do not say it because of fear or favor. It is a good way to be and I can not tell you that every black person I know feels that way. But for those who still fear or distrust other races I would always reach across and say give it a chance.

Now as for you my very young man. You will never know what it means or feels like to be black. You do not have the intelligence to Imagine it or the empathy to feel it. I know that already from reading your posts. In many ways you are the most harmful type of individual to race relations because you are ignorant. You are not a racist just ignorant and at times I believe that is worse.

And for your information kid, you are not a Delta pilot yet. Maybe in your wet dreams but till this merger is complete and you have gone through indoctrination. You are a Northwest pilot. Not a pilot of the new Delta. It does not exist yet. You are just a kid very lucky to be a Northwest pilot.
Maybe one day if this all goes through I will get to fly with you and you better have some good stories for me about your accomplishments. It had better be something better than having a job flying a DC9 for Northwest at 27 yrs old.
With a quote like this, combined with your grammar skills(or lack thereof) I often wonder if you yourself are a DAL pilot. Perhaps you are just a kid from Minnesota playing on mom and dad's computer.

Your condescending attitude and lack of professionalism make me feel it's the latter of the two. Don't give your fellow DAL pilots a bad name by telling a NWA pilot he will only be a DAL pilot in his wet dreams. Please, I can't wait for my DAL pledge so I get me new double breasted blazer. Oh, please tell the secrets of the pledge. Do I have to drink the punch, or walk on broken glass? Get over yourself man, we're all driving airplanes around for two very good airlines that have been around for a long time. I got news for ya, DAL's poop stinks just like everyone elses.


And when did he claim to "save the black race"? Who the hell are you, man?

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