Not Exactly Eye-Watering
07-07-2008, 04:03 PM
#341
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Bebe Bus De L'Air Assistant Aerial Conveyance Facilitator
Posts: 351
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
History has shown that there is a penalty for not striking when the iron is hot. I need not say the words "February '08 pre-meger opportunity." But I will. 
Look what just a couple months cost us there...
Look what just a couple months cost us there...I understand and respect your argument for voting no, but right there you've given the biggest reason for voting yes. No one outside of the MECs and management has seen the pre-merger contract, but if what has been posted is true, it had more to offer than what this JPWA now has.
So, in the last four months we have lost ground even though our leverage really hasn't changed. If anything, you could argue that our leverage has increased because of the merger announcement, yet we still couldn't do any better. With the way the economy and oil prices are going, odds are that if this gets voted down, the next contract will have even less to offer. It's one thing to negotiate for as much as you can, it's another to negotiate yourself out of business.
I'm still a DAL probie so I won't have a say in how this plays out. But if I did, I'd vote yes. Take the money and run. Neither option is great but this is the lesser of the two evils.
And Speedbird and SuperPilot, give it a rest. You're supposed to be professional airline pilots. Instead you're acting like a couple of 6-year-olds.
Anyway, I've spoken my piece. I'll go back to lurking now.
07-07-2008, 04:25 PM
#342
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by upndsky
SS,
I understand and respect your argument for voting no, but right there you've given the biggest reason for voting yes. No one outside of the MECs and management has seen the pre-merger contract, but if what has been posted is true, it had more to offer than what this JPWA now has.
So, in the last four months we have lost ground even though our leverage really hasn't changed. If anything, you could argue that our leverage has increased because of the merger announcement, yet we still couldn't do any better. With the way the economy and oil prices are going, odds are that if this gets voted down, the next contract will have even less to offer. It's one thing to negotiate for as much as you can, it's another to negotiate yourself out of business.
I'm still a DAL probie so I won't have a say in how this plays out. But if I did, I'd vote yes. Take the money and run. Neither option is great but this is the lesser of the two evils.
And Speedbird and SuperPilot, give it a rest. You're supposed to be professional airline pilots. Instead you're acting like a couple of 6-year-olds.
Anyway, I've spoken my piece. I'll go back to lurking now.
I understand and respect your argument for voting no, but right there you've given the biggest reason for voting yes. No one outside of the MECs and management has seen the pre-merger contract, but if what has been posted is true, it had more to offer than what this JPWA now has.
So, in the last four months we have lost ground even though our leverage really hasn't changed. If anything, you could argue that our leverage has increased because of the merger announcement, yet we still couldn't do any better. With the way the economy and oil prices are going, odds are that if this gets voted down, the next contract will have even less to offer. It's one thing to negotiate for as much as you can, it's another to negotiate yourself out of business.
I'm still a DAL probie so I won't have a say in how this plays out. But if I did, I'd vote yes. Take the money and run. Neither option is great but this is the lesser of the two evils.
And Speedbird and SuperPilot, give it a rest. You're supposed to be professional airline pilots. Instead you're acting like a couple of 6-year-olds.
Anyway, I've spoken my piece. I'll go back to lurking now.
Hope all is well with you
Last edited by Superpilot92; 07-07-2008 at 05:17 PM.
07-07-2008, 04:31 PM
#343
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"And Speedbird and SuperPilot, give it a rest. You're supposed to be professional airline pilots. Instead you're acting like a couple of 6-year-olds."
Let's keep the FI stuff at FI. Or take it to PM's. The tit for tat flamebait doesn't belong at the forums.
Let's keep the FI stuff at FI. Or take it to PM's. The tit for tat flamebait doesn't belong at the forums.
07-07-2008, 05:21 PM
#344
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 52
[QUOTE=Superpilot92;420489]Good post, and in regards to Speedbird i do take the high road with him. It would be very easy to lose my cool with him but i chose not to because its pointless.
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Last edited by Speedbird34; 07-07-2008 at 05:29 PM.
07-07-2008, 05:45 PM
#345
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
Originally Posted by de727ups
"And Speedbird and SuperPilot, give it a rest. You're supposed to be professional airline pilots. Instead you're acting like a couple of 6-year-olds."
Let's keep the FI stuff at FI. Or take it to PM's. The tit for tat flamebait doesn't belong at the forums.
Let's keep the FI stuff at FI. Or take it to PM's. The tit for tat flamebait doesn't belong at the forums.
07-07-2008, 06:11 PM
#346
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by newKnow
I agree. Maybe that stuff should get deleted, de. Linering racial stuff on here is not a good thing.
Lets get back to merger talk
07-07-2008, 06:47 PM
#347
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 52
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
I agree and it should have never been brought up by Speedbird. He starts these arguments all the time on FI. Thats why i like APC because there arent the flamefests on here like there are on FI and lets keep it that way.
Lets get back to merger talk
Lets get back to merger talk
Hopefully we will learn to keep race out of our discussions. I would be very happy to discuss the finer points of interracial adoption and the harm it does to black kids if their adopting parents do not understand the underlying cultural differences. From just reading your posts I cannot imagine what that kid has gone through with you claiming to be her brother.
I see so many damaged kids from interacial adoptions in Minnesota. Black kids who wash their hair and sun tan to mention a few things. There is a certain amount of damage that can be the result of such an environment.
If this merger takes place I should be able to identify you. One of the 27yr old recent hires from Northwest on the bottom of our list. I am definitely concerned for the wellbeing of that black child growing up in your home
Maybe a visit from the social worker to check on the kid's welfare and I am not joking
Last edited by Speedbird34; 07-07-2008 at 06:57 PM.
07-07-2008, 06:52 PM
#348
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by Speedbird34
Do not feel smart. You are the one who first brought up race on this trend and refered to my posts on flightinfo. That can be very easily traced on this trend. I am not surprised by your apparent dishonesty. Again as I said early I stand firmly by my statements as regards you. I just responded by giving you a sizable dose of what you wanted.
Hopefully we will learn to keep race out of our discussions. I would be very happy to discuss the finer points of interracial adoption and the harm it does to black kids if their adopting parents do not understand the underlying cultural differences. From just reading your posts I cannot imagine what that kid has gone through with you claiming to be her brother.
I see so many damaged kids from interacial adoptions in Minnesota. Black kids who wash their hair and sun tan. If this merger takes place I should be able to identify you. One of the 27yr old recent hires from Northwest on the bottom of our list. I am definitely concerned for the wellbeing of that black child growing up in your home
Hopefully we will learn to keep race out of our discussions. I would be very happy to discuss the finer points of interracial adoption and the harm it does to black kids if their adopting parents do not understand the underlying cultural differences. From just reading your posts I cannot imagine what that kid has gone through with you claiming to be her brother.
I see so many damaged kids from interacial adoptions in Minnesota. Black kids who wash their hair and sun tan. If this merger takes place I should be able to identify you. One of the 27yr old recent hires from Northwest on the bottom of our list. I am definitely concerned for the wellbeing of that black child growing up in your home
Friendly advice,
Thats Enough bud before you get booted by the mods, they dont have patience for arguments on this forum. I have no doubt if you keep it up you will get a message from them soon. Again i look forward to working with you guys at DAL. Cheers
Last edited by Superpilot92; 07-07-2008 at 06:57 PM.
07-07-2008, 06:55 PM
#349
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 52
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Friendly advice,
Thats Enough bud before you get booted by the mods, they dont have patience for arguments on this forum. I have no doubt if you keep it up you will get a message from them soon. Again i look forward to working with you guys at DAL. Cheers
Thats Enough bud before you get booted by the mods, they dont have patience for arguments on this forum. I have no doubt if you keep it up you will get a message from them soon. Again i look forward to working with you guys at DAL. Cheers
07-07-2008, 07:12 PM
#350
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3
Yeah my opinion! I am pretty sure I am not the only one. Go ahead tell everyone how oppressed you are and how you lack the opportunities, and I will tell you how full of s..t you are. Please post you qualifications and I guarantee you that there are thousands of more qualified people that did not even get an interview at Delta.
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