Pay: B737 vs. A320
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Pay: B737 vs. A320
With 148 seats on the A320 and the -800, I see that NWA pilots took a hit on A320 payrates vs. the DAL 737 payrates. Of course management wouldn't want to correlate pay with responsibility and the number of human lives on board and so therefore overlooked the common sense of it. If pay is to be calculated largely by lift capacity and other such factors, then there needs to be a huge correction for aircraft that are designed to be lighter and more efficient; a composite aircraft will never weigh the same as an aluminum one. Let's be realistic, the one design is 15 years older than the other.
I imagine this is the reason the 787 payrates are where they are because of lift capacity. Great, so the manufacturers come out with lighter, smarter, composite aircraft and we as the line pilot take a pay hit; what sense does that make? Must make sense to L.M.
I imagine this is the reason the 787 payrates are where they are because of lift capacity. Great, so the manufacturers come out with lighter, smarter, composite aircraft and we as the line pilot take a pay hit; what sense does that make? Must make sense to L.M.
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Rotorhead - Look at the MD88 and MD90 rates. That will make you feel better. The A319 has 124 seats, the MD88 142 and the MD90 seats 150.
Also, Delta has none of the 737-700's yet, meaning, Delta has not staffing for those airplanes yet.
The pay rates reflect a potential SLI methodology. Given the size of DAL's MD88/90 fleet, this could be an important distinction.
Also, Delta has none of the 737-700's yet, meaning, Delta has not staffing for those airplanes yet.
The pay rates reflect a potential SLI methodology. Given the size of DAL's MD88/90 fleet, this could be an important distinction.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 06-29-2008 at 12:07 PM.
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Rotorhead, The 800 at Delta seats 160. 16 in first and 144 in coach. They removed seats for a while so they could take off the 4th flight attendant. I believe all aircraft have had all the seats restored. If you look at the average number of seats in the 319/320 fleet is probably under 140.
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I believed it used a "slotting" methodology...basically you say OK...these are the number of "job slots" each carrier is bringing to the table...and you rank them either by aircraft lift - or size - or pay.
Just for an example..totally made up...you stick the 747 and 777 at the top and say OK...that is X number of jobs...X number are NWA jobs and X number are DAL jobs...so then you take whatever number of seats that is and use that ratio to assign the top seniority numbers.
Then you do the same with the 767-400/A330 Again...set ratios...figure how many seat-jobs that is, and sort it accordingly between DAL and NWA.
Then the 767-300
Then 757
Then 737
Then A320
Then MD90
Then MD80
Then DC-9
When you finish the 9...you have merged everyone.
It is not straight percentage and it is not DOH. It is based on what "jobs" each carrier brings to the table.
Oh, FWIW...I believe that methodology would be unfair to NWA pilots, despite the amount of "Premium Widebody" flying you guys have available. Sorry, I can't resist using that every chance I get.
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representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equi-
table agreement is reached, keeping in mind the follow-ing goals, in no particular order:
“c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of living.
“d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
table agreement is reached, keeping in mind the follow-ing goals, in no particular order:
“c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of living.
“d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/A...3052&Tabid=256
Here's more information if you really want to know
http://crewroom.alpa.org/aaa/Desktop...cumentID=21671
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 06-30-2008 at 06:24 PM.
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Carl:
ALPA put together a decent reference if you want the quick and dirty
Quick & Dirty
http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/A...3052&Tabid=256
Here's more information if you really want to know
http://crewroom.alpa.org/aaa/Desktop...cumentID=21671
ALPA put together a decent reference if you want the quick and dirty
Quick & Dirty
http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/A...3052&Tabid=256
Here's more information if you really want to know
http://crewroom.alpa.org/aaa/Desktop...cumentID=21671
"The pay rates reflect a potential SLI methodology."
What SLI methodology was used to determine pay rates in this TA? If you don't know, then what documents state your premise? Does the new TA state that? Does LOA 19 say that?
Carl
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What does any of that have to do with your previous statement:
"The pay rates reflect a potential SLI methodology."
What SLI methodology was used to determine pay rates in this TA? If you don't know, then what documents state your premise? Does the new TA state that? Does LOA 19 say that?
Carl
"The pay rates reflect a potential SLI methodology."
What SLI methodology was used to determine pay rates in this TA? If you don't know, then what documents state your premise? Does the new TA state that? Does LOA 19 say that?
Carl
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 06-30-2008 at 07:32 PM.
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I'll try to stop questioning you BB...muse away.
Carl
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