Spaceman Spliff

I've noticed quite a few of my esteemed Delta brethren, on this forum and others, cite "goodwill" and "getting along with NWA pilots" as a huge reason to vote "yes" for the JPWA.

However, I have yet to see a single post from any NWA pilots that indicate that harmony and teamwork is something that's important to them--or at least something they'll give something up to attain. They seem to think they should (and will) get whatever they want from DAL guys just to keep them "happy."

I, for one, am tired of the sense of entitlement I sense from many NWA guys on this forum, who are happy to take the positive gains they stand to reap, and are more than happy to tell DAL guys how to vote (for the sake of a "united pilot group," of course) but at the end of the day, offer up absolutely nothing themselves in order to ensure both pilot groups are happy.

Their happiness, it appears, is the sole responsibility of the DAL pilot group.

"NO."

Justdoinmyjob

Just wait til they see the SLI, negotiated or arbitrated. Under anything less than DOH, most will be giving up some numbers. How they respond will go a long way to ensuring a "united pilot group."

Accept that sacrifice is necessary, (for both groups,) and move forward, the "one step back, two steps forward" thinkgroup, or the kicking and screaming, (for both groups,) "I got screwed!" thinkgroup.

caddis

Spiff,

What do you want the NWA guys to "give up" to attain harmony. I now you think we gave up nothing in the JPWA, but let me list a few things.

70 instead of 75 hours for reserve guarantee, I live in base and like reserve this is a big deal to me.
Premium pay for all flying over 80 hours, not just Green Slips
$1500 in additional medical costs per month for retirees, his could slow down age 60 retirements on our side.
Additional medical premium costs of about $500 or more per year
Plus others....

The biggest thing we are going to give up is in the SLI. For me there is no way I end up in the same relative seniority at the end of my career as I will at NWA. I would end up in the top 40 pilots at retirement age at the combined entity I end up about at 300 with DOH. We have a guy that has a cool little seniority crystal ball that lets you see these things. Guess what I do not think we will get DOH I am betting on some type of relative seniority. In that situation I will lose even more. Now Spliff listen closely, I understand I am going to lose some seniority, I can live with it as long as it is not gross. I see the greater good in this merger.

Since I live in a Northern base I will not be bidding to take your seat in NY or anyones in ATL so do not worry about me if I am senior to you.

I will gladly raise a toast with my Delta buddies in my squadron when this is done, because we will all be better off in the long run. Heck Spliff I would even have a beer with you.

Spaceman Spliff

Believe it or not, although I am fairly vocal about my perceptions of the JPWA shortcomings--and a few other issues--once it's all said and done, and the contract is approved and SLI decided, I'll be happy to put all of this behind us share a beer with you guys, too!

DAL4EVER

Of course Spliff was listening to:

"One toke over the line sweet Jesus, one toke over the line. Sittin' downtown in a railway station one toke over the line"

when he wrote this.

NuGuy

Hi Caddis,

Yup, let me add in a few more:

Loss of training langauge

Loss of seniority list instructors (this is HUGE)

Loss of instructor benefits (for those few APDs/checkpilots remaining)

Loss of the 14 hour hard cap on duty day/hard minimum of 9 hours rest

Loss of the cap on health premium increases

Loss of bidding for RAP/Longcall

Loss of split block/reserve

Loss of monthly position awards

Loss of temporary positions (free hotels and positive space to work)

Loss of ASAP/FOQA (HUGE)

From a strictly objective view, even a DOH merge hammers the junior guys at NWA. I'm in your same position. My loss of expected position at the 10 and 15 year mark is well into the double digits, percentage wise, and several hundered positions at 25.

The only thing that comes close to fair is the dynamic list.

But hey, we didn't give anything up, so it's all ok, right?

Nu

Spaceman Spliff

Wow, that is pretty bad. So I guess you're going to vote against it, right?

wiggy

--Exactly right. With all those negatives you would think Nuguy would be a no vote, especially with his "no win" on the seniority list. Actually Spliff what he and others are doing with all this negative banter about the contract is JUSTIFYING A SENIORITY LIST WINDFALL FOR NWA. (he even gets hurt with DOH,...YGTBSM!..what a joke!) Think about it, why else would they be in favor of such a "bad" contract?

Spaceman Spliff

I agree wholeheartedly, wiggy. I think NuGuy is a NALPA functionary trying to "prep the battlefield" for the windfall you predict. If the contract was as horrible as he claims it is, we'll see NWA vote it down.

But does anyone expect NWA to not pass it in a landslide? Of course not.

Also--anyone care to wager how many DAL pilots are going to change their votes to "NO" this weekend, now that oil is plummeting?

Superpilot92