DTW-ZRH is 4255 mi. I'm not an expert on the 752, but w/out winglets, can it make that trip? What about with winglets?

I think they'll be very effective at keeping relative status quo for their duration. They won't stop the company from gaining the synergies they've talked about. They'll just have to be more creative.

Yeah but a fence doesnt stop them from moving planes around to different bases. In fact a fence could keep you out of the base you wanted. For instance the rumors of the MD90s coming out of SLC and moving to MSP where performance isnt as much of an issue and replacing that lift with Airbuses. Now if you were SLC based and wanted to stay in SLC but your aircraft just switched out of base and you were locked out of the bus you would be SOL on SLC. Same goes with any aircraft and any base. We just dont know what their plans are yet so its tough to say. My point is a fence may not keep status quo because it prevents people from bidding in to specific aircraft but doesnt prevent DAL mgmt from moving planes to different bases. Its going to be interesting how it all plays out thats for sure.

Sorry, my comment was of a more general nature WRT to Hauenstein's aircraft selection for a given route, not specific to the ZRH route... . I go to work on Friday, and I'll see if I can get any information on the range of the 757, but I think that is a bit far. With the winglets, it can get right on up high, and it sips gas, so who knows? I'll let ya know if I fond out anything useful.

I'm pretty sure that the longest route that CAL flies on the 752 is EWR-SXF (Berlin) at 3995 mi. I can see DTW-ZRH making it to the destination, but with headwinds on the way back, that would require a fuel stop pretty often. Any help would be useful. Thanks.

Your scenario costs money for retraining, a cost they need to avoid over the short term but would probably be acceptable if spread out over a long period of time. I expect to see a lot of routes flown "backwards" Example NRT-ATL-NRT rather than ATL-NRT-ATL on a 747-400 and some routes with deadhead on the front and back of the trip (DTW-ATL Deadhead to fly Sao Paolo with a 747-400)

Apparently DAL is currently flying the 757ER from CVG-AMS. I don't know the difference in mileage but it probably isn't to much further to go to DTW-ZRH. Only the 757ER with winglets can do it. Besides, our domestic birds aren't ETOPS so those planes are out. I'm still wondering if we are going to procure the EOS birds that are sitting out on the TOC ramp.

CVG-AMS is 4142 miles, so I stand corrected. Still a haul for a single aisle scrawny bird like the 757. I guess that's about the best way to make a profit, though. Thanks for the info!

For those who are interested, you can find great circle distances at Great Circle Mapper

Heyas,

FWIW, we just got word that this "list" didn't come from either company.

It's probably some fanwank from a.net or something.

Nu

I heard we're gonna put winglets on the DC9s, and start flying them to the west coast and Mexico.:D;)