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tsquare 09-17-2008 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 463143)
wonder how they will work the -400 with no domestic flying on it's pairings.....

Same way we work the -ER out of NYC now... we have ZERO domestic flying. What's your question? Not being snotty, I am just wondering what it is you are wondering about.

NWA320pilot 09-17-2008 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 463599)
Same way we work the -ER out of NYC now... we have ZERO domestic flying. What's your question? Not being snotty, I am just wondering what it is you are wondering about.

I was referring to the long call vs. short call for reserves with all int'l flying..... The question was regarding acl65pilot's post:


24 hrs on short call.
No duty requirement for international so what they do is one day short call one day long call and so on.
First 12 hrs you can fly a domestic paring that is in the ER trip parings, after that it has to be an international parring due to rest requirements domestically.

Justdoinmyjob 09-17-2008 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 463244)
Not with Glen at the helm you won't. If the range of a -400 is 6500 miles than that's what you'll be flying. I think I've only flown a 767 to MCO about three times this year. The rest of it has been a 757.

That's because I've been flying all the other 767 legs to/from MCO.

sailingfun 09-18-2008 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 463677)
I was referring to the long call vs. short call for reserves with all int'l flying..... The question was regarding acl65pilot's post:


I don't really understand what you are saying either. The part about domestic he posted refers to the Whitlow ruling with the FAA. If you are flying domestic you must always be able to look back in any 24 hour period and see 8 hours rest. Being on call on reserve is not rest. If the company places you on short call you must block in 16 hours later or you have committed a FAR infraction. No such rule applies to international. His point was if the company puts you on a 24 hours short call you are no longer legal for a domestic leg after 16 hours. The company cuts it off at 12 to avoid issues. Has nothing at all to do with international trip assignments. They can give you anything they want at any time during the 24 hours you are on call.

acl65pilot 09-18-2008 05:48 AM

They can assign you long or short call at their leisure.
I have been given six periods this month where as some of by buddies have had none to two. There is no rhyme or reason to who they assign it to.
Also please clarify what you are asking about with the short call rules.
Basically international stinks.

DAL4EVER 09-18-2008 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 463766)
That's because I've been flying all the other 767 legs to/from MCO.

Well then you need to share the wealth brutha'. I think I forgot how to land a 76 its been so long.

acl65pilot 09-18-2008 07:17 AM

Heck I have not landed anything in over a month.

Justdoinmyjob 09-18-2008 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 463925)
Well then you need to share the wealth brutha'. I think I forgot how to land a 76 its been so long.

Bid reserve, that's my strategery.;)

acl65pilot 09-18-2008 07:48 AM

Mine too, and I am not flying that much.

DAL4EVER 09-18-2008 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 463983)
Mine too, and I am not flying that much.

Crap. We're all bidding reserve. Apparently that means the secret's out. I just need everyone senior to me to keep getting lines and not bid reserve. That makes my life complicated. My only concern is with the next AE. I am worried that the guys junior to us are going to bail to the ER and the guys senior to us are going to come back to domestic and push us to junior reserve. That's not a good prospect. I know I can hold a line in the ER its just hard to give up the domestic senior reserve lifestyle.


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