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10-08-2008, 09:41 AM
#92
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Man,
What a ****ing contest and the truth of the matter is NONE of us has any idea what the arbitrators will rule..... DALPA has presented its "wish list" and next it will be NWAPLA turn to do the same. I am sure we will see a lot more bantering about this over the next few weeks but the bottom line is nobody has any real idea on how it will play out.
What a ****ing contest and the truth of the matter is NONE of us has any idea what the arbitrators will rule..... DALPA has presented its "wish list" and next it will be NWAPLA turn to do the same. I am sure we will see a lot more bantering about this over the next few weeks but the bottom line is nobody has any real idea on how it will play out.
10-08-2008, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JetFlyer06
Please quote your source on this, from what I've been told we can fly the 9's well into the next decade (per the DC-9 fleet training captain).
I don't know how long you've been posting on here, but you will find that a lot of them (DAL pilots) in their post either: 1.) Just make stuff up; 2.) Make wild asumptions about things they don't know; 3.) Recite rumor as fact or; 4.) All of the above.
Yes, I have heard people who KNOW the DC-9 say they could fly as long as 2026. I have had very high ranking management tell me personally that they were going to keep them around "for a long time," and that they were looking for ways to "upgrade" the -9.
Have I posted these facts on here before? Yes. But that has never stopped them (DAL pilots) from implementing numbers 1-4 above? No.
They won't stop, so the point should be made that even if the company decided to get rid of the -9, that mainline pilots should fight/strike/walk/run/ whatever, to keep those jobs. Not that we should have to do much because we do have some scope protection.
But, you will find that that doesn't matter to them (DAL pilots) either. If it is in their best interest right now to say that we are parking the -9's, the -200's, and that the B-787 is a make believe aircraft, that is what they will do. Truth and reality apparently don't matter in the DAL world.
So with this in mind, I'm glad we came up with the "Super Premium Wide Body Flying" concept. It adds to the entertainment to see the DAL guys cry foul with both eyes closed to their own hypocrisy. Maybe it's just the concept we need, since we are apparently dealing with some super premium wide body bs.
By the way, I heard that the MD-88's were going to be parked and replaced with A-320's. The 320's are cheap, readily availiable, and way more fuel efficient than the -88's and they carry the same amount of passengers. No one can argue against this, that's just what is going to happen. I heard it from someone who talked to someone who said they knew Andersons gardener. Sorry Delta guys, I think Northwest pilots need to be protected against your possible furloughs.
Hey! I can do it, too! I think I'm ready to be a DAL pilot!! Now I guess I can go get fitted for my uniform.
New K now (but same old... well, you know)
10-08-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Quite true, but the fact is that it is fun to banter. It keeps pilots out of the bars.
But this sounds more like a divorce and two parents fighting over custody. Both sides make the other out to be someone with no future or have that nothing to offer. When the fact of the matter BOTH parents bring great qualities that need to used if the child is to succeed!
10-08-2008, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Wi-Fi will make the 88's profitable? 
Come on ACL that was weak How about the DC9s are paid for and with oil going down that only makes the dc9s more viable and are great aircraft for filling the much needed gap in the DAL network while also helping to replace 50 seat feed.
Come on ACL that was weak How about the DC9s are paid for and with oil going down that only makes the dc9s more viable and are great aircraft for filling the much needed gap in the DAL network while also helping to replace 50 seat feed.This is quite true and I hope you are correct for we will all be better off in this type of scenario.... but I wouldn't want to risk junior DAL pilots taking a bullet for junior NW types via furlough if it is not true. There are a lot of ways to work this out, how about fencing off furloughs by tying each former pilot group to their aircraft. If '88's get parked former DAL pilots bite the bullet. If the '9's get parked former NW pilots hit the street. This way you could work out a different seniority formula and protect each pilot group - just as NW pilots will be protected on their retirements with the widebodies being fenced off for bidding. For every NW pilot who retires another NW guy can slide into the whale.
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10-08-2008, 10:29 AM
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I don't know how long you've been posting on here, but you will find that a lot of them (DAL pilots) in their post either: 1.) Just make stuff up; 2.) Make wild asumptions about things they don't know; 3.) Recite rumor as fact or; 4.) All of the above.
Yes, I have heard people who KNOW the DC-9 say they could fly as long as 2026. I have had very high ranking management tell me personally that they were going to keep them around "for a long time," and that they were looking for ways to "upgrade" the -9.
Newknow,
All I can say about the second paragraph is, refer to paragraph one!!!!
Yes, I have heard people who KNOW the DC-9 say they could fly as long as 2026. I have had very high ranking management tell me personally that they were going to keep them around "for a long time," and that they were looking for ways to "upgrade" the -9.
Newknow,
All I can say about the second paragraph is, refer to paragraph one!!!!
10-08-2008, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Jet,
I don't know how long you've been posting on here, but you will find that a lot of them (DAL pilots) in their post either: 1.) Just make stuff up; 2.) Make wild asumptions about things they don't know; 3.) Recite rumor as fact or; 4.) All of the above.
New K now (but same old... well, you know)
I don't know how long you've been posting on here, but you will find that a lot of them (DAL pilots) in their post either: 1.) Just make stuff up; 2.) Make wild asumptions about things they don't know; 3.) Recite rumor as fact or; 4.) All of the above.
New K now (but same old... well, you know)
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10-08-2008, 10:33 AM
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And yes the 88's could be parked for 320's but there are a few issues with that. 1) The acquisition cost is far greater than the maintenance cost for the next ten years. This is not so with the 9's and 742's
2) It is not worth the cost over the next ten year when DAL will be required to replace most of the narrow body fleet.
The only game changer in that is if Airbus fits the 320 with a gtf and makes that acquisition relatively affordable. Then yes, all of the 88's will go away and we will have about 300 320's
See I can argue both sides when that is the correct stance.
2) It is not worth the cost over the next ten year when DAL will be required to replace most of the narrow body fleet.
The only game changer in that is if Airbus fits the 320 with a gtf and makes that acquisition relatively affordable. Then yes, all of the 88's will go away and we will have about 300 320's
See I can argue both sides when that is the correct stance.
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