IXLR8

What fun is that????

newKnow

Ahhh,

But having the Vice President of Flight Ops or the Chief Pilot tell you and many others something is a lot different from "Hey, the Dc-9's are nearing their cylce limits." Why? Because the DC-9's are not nearing their cycle limits. The ones that were are long gone, not the ones we have now.

But even if they were nearing their limit, understand my point after those first few paragraphs. Mainline flying should be kept mainline flying. If they started parking 777's and 767's, I would never argue that that flying was destined to be taken over by RJ's. Why? Because it affects mainline pilot jobs. The same thing goes for the Md-88. Parking narrow body aircraft affects pilot jobs and to suggest that we would just let all DC-9's go away without replacement is ridiculous. But as I said in the previous post, ridiculous apparently does not matter to many on your side.

While I do appreciate the job our negotiators are doing, I am not one to just believe and go along with every point and argument they make. On the other hand, you guys seem to get your marching orders and run with them and spout off the talking points, no matter how outlandish they are. That, for me, will take some getting used to and if that is the "type" of pilot Delta has hired over the years, that wil be the greatest source of friction between the two groups. Because there are not too many on the NWA side that are like that. That's my prediction.

Oh, and that the 767's are going to be parked and 330's will replace them- and thats the ERJ-330 it's on the secret Brazilian production line as we speak. "NewCo" will fly them. Landing cycle limit you know.


New K Now

Winston Smith

I'm curious to find out how many of the NWA pilots hired in the last "boom" (as short as NWA's "boom" was compared to DAL's) were rejected by DAL's "outlandish" process first (which we should be able to ascertain)...and how many of them were hoping for DAL and got an interview/job with NWA instead (we can only speculate on that number).

Easy, I'm not trying to knock on the 15 guys hired at NWA who actually wanted to live in an NWA hub, and for whom NWA was #1 on the list. I bet they're not good poker players.

I'm pretty sure any sane guy not living in an NWA hub would have rather been hired at DAL (better pay, better DC plan, better EVERYTHING).

Hopefully this will be on the arbitrators' radar at some point.

Denny Crane

NewK,

Nobody wants to loose mainline jobs to the RJ. You say you would not let the 9 go away without a replacement. I'm just trying to understand, what is stopping NWA or, after the merger, Delta from doing just that if they want too?

I'm sure you get your "marching orders" just like I get mine. I certainly cannot think for my self so I need to have someone do it for me. I sure hope nothing goes wrong when I'm flying because I wouldn't know what to do.....

newKnow

wow!

Maybe the single greatest insult I have ever seen on APC. What you are saying is that most if not all, minus fifteen or so of all Northwest new hires are delta rejects. I don't have time to respond to your ignorance-which I will- but, I wonder if any of your delta buddies will call you out on your nonsense.

You are doing wonders for the new delta family.

redblueskies

Ok, I'll shoot. I wanted to live in a NWA hub, so NWA was high on my list for that reason. However, there were many desirable things about NWA that would have made them probably my number one choice regardless among legacies (which was my only interest for variety). #1: Attrition. NWA was on the verge of experiencing attrition in which half of the seniority list would be forced into retirement in 10 years. #2: A dominant presence in the Asia market, which is projected to experience growth unlike any other market in the world. #3: They're making a profit, more than any other legacy. Look at the valuations, NWA is valued about what DAL is valued at but is 2/3 the size. This was/is crucial, your future contracts are only going to be as good as your company is profitable #4+: Lots of small things, like I prefer the more laid back culture they have (things like hats optional). Commuter clause. Trip trading. Their bidding system. Just off the top of my head.

Really nothing excited me about DAL except their first year rates were more acceptable. I don't have a burning desire to fly a widebody and change 5 timezones a day for ~10% more pay than a narrowbody. I'm all about QOL. Future rates weren't a huge issue since they were both bankruptcy contracts and would be amended 5 times over my career.

Also, I ran into several of the "15 NWA newhires" who either turned down a job or an interview at DAL. I never met one NWA newhire that was turned down at DAL, though I doubt they'd advertise that. I do know of 1 NWA interviewee who got shot down and ended up at DAL. I don't know many people.

Hope that helped grasp the concept that DAL is not the end all be all for many of us.

Carl Spackler

Redblueskies,

What's the matter with you man? Posting a thoughtful and scrupulously accurate narrative like that. How dare you?

Facts like these would ruin the arguments of people like Spaceman/Winston etal...that is; if facts mattered to them.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Don't get too excited New. Winston is Spaceman Spliff... you know, the guy that has been banned so many times by APC he finally had to change names. He likes thinking that he's insulted people.

Carl

Carl Spackler

That's probably true Scoop. But I think DALPA could have just presented their case without the attempt at tearing down NWA and trying to make it look like we had no future. It was so easily disproved by our lawyers, that it did nothing but sew seeds of future discontent. I hope NWALPA does not attempt to show DAL as a weak sister with no future.

The truth that nobody except Spaceman can disagree with is this: This is a merger of equals. Both strong, both with good futures. Equals.

Carl

tsquare

L O S E...... not L O O S E

Sorry... it bugs me.