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10-09-2008, 09:47 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl, his point was that it happened. That is it. I think that my explanation more than takes care of the way that I feel.
But, I have two good friends from my USAF days who didn't pass NWA's "personality" test (no not the MMPI, that came later after the interview) and are at Delta. One was really excited about working for us as he met his wife at Minot when he sat alert on the F-15 back in the day and wanted to take momma home. The other guy has a Distinguished Flying Cross from the first Gulf War and we were nuts for passing him over even before an interview. I wrote letters for both and they both called thanking me for my help, but...........
They are both '97 hires I think.
So, do I have to find one more to get even in this nonsense pi$$ing contest or can we just drop this BS.
Ferd
10-09-2008, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Carl, I can't believe you are defending NW management. Our presentation was to point out your management's post BR business plan. The first witness even gave you guys props for fighting the complete evisceration of your pilot group with the NewCo thing. He pointed out you stopped them at 90 76 seaters.
Originally Posted by satchip
That sill doesn't change the fact that they planned to replace the 9s with smaller more efficient a/c. Genuinely interested question here, not a debate point. Have you guys pressured NW management about a replacement a/c?
Originally Posted by satchip
As for the testimony transcripts, I know we come from different perspectives. But I can't for the life of me find where your lawyer guy has refuted anything much less everything that the witnesses have stated. You may disagree with their statements, but that is not refuting them.
Originally Posted by satchip
You still haven't answered the questions previously put to you.
Originally Posted by satchip
On a side note, guys how is the sushi over there? Is the yen/dollar rate better than the Euro? 6 bucks for coffee is really killing me.
Carl
10-09-2008, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Wow, is this a BS discussion or what? Spaceman Wilson is a twit but I'm shocked that you would get into this mud pit.
But, I have two good friends from my USAF days who didn't pass NWA's "personality" test (no not the MMPI, that came later after the interview) and are at Delta. One was really excited about working for us as he met his wife at Minot when he sat alert on the F-15 back in the day and wanted to take momma home. The other guy has a Distinguished Flying Cross from the first Gulf War and we were nuts for passing him over even before an interview. I wrote letters for both and they both called thanking me for my help, but...........
They are both '97 hires I think.
So, do I have to find one more to get even in this nonsense pi$$ing contest or can we just drop this BS.
Ferd
But, I have two good friends from my USAF days who didn't pass NWA's "personality" test (no not the MMPI, that came later after the interview) and are at Delta. One was really excited about working for us as he met his wife at Minot when he sat alert on the F-15 back in the day and wanted to take momma home. The other guy has a Distinguished Flying Cross from the first Gulf War and we were nuts for passing him over even before an interview. I wrote letters for both and they both called thanking me for my help, but...........
They are both '97 hires I think.
So, do I have to find one more to get even in this nonsense pi$$ing contest or can we just drop this BS.
Ferd
Carl
10-09-2008, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Of course it's not true. Our scope clause prevents that. I've said it and many others have said it. I know you've heard it, but you won't listen. It doesn't fit your template. And yes NWA budgeted for a -9 replacement. The rumors were all over the map as to what the airplane was going to be.
In addition to, as has been stated many times.
Yes we did lose DHL, and the division is currently losing money. As for the rest of your "questions" nobody knows the answer to them as they involve the future. I've heard nothing about reducing the cargo division.
By the way, "invective" means a vehement and violent denunciation. Do you really think my use of the word "nonsense" fits that definition? My you're a thin-skinned one. Oops, there I go with more invective.
Carl
In addition to, as has been stated many times.
Yes we did lose DHL, and the division is currently losing money. As for the rest of your "questions" nobody knows the answer to them as they involve the future. I've heard nothing about reducing the cargo division.
By the way, "invective" means a vehement and violent denunciation. Do you really think my use of the word "nonsense" fits that definition? My you're a thin-skinned one. Oops, there I go with more invective.
Carl
From what I read in the transcripts, the business plan that Steenland argued to the BR judge was to phase out the 9 and replace it with Newco. You guys successfully limited the loss to 90 76 seat jets, hence Compass. So the plan was still to cut the 9 but the result was something less or am I mistaken?
If NW management budgeted for a 9 replacement to be flown by mainline why is it not in the documents? I would not expect our side to bring that up in direct but I don't remember your lawyer entering that in evidence during cross. Did I miss that? Is he waiting for their case to present that evidence? If so I will stand corrected.
As for the freighters, you are right, it is in the future. Only the PTB know what they will do. A sound economic analysis would however, indicate that their days are numbered. Let's hope those 787s come and absorb those losses.
Invective: noun 3. an insulting or abusive word or expression. Ok, maybe it's a little bit of a stretch to call it abusive, but you get my gist. I asked a question and you replied with and insult. I like a good argument when both sides present valid points. Fire away!
10-09-2008, 10:17 AM
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Agreed. I will stated again. I agree that there are people over there that I know that this has happened to. That is the reference to Spliffs post that I agree with. The rest is rubbish.
He needs to get a grip. I know that he is on here purely to get a rise out of people, but there needs to be a little personal accountability. If he feels that he does not owe that to anyone, he needs to go over to that other web board.
The discussions here are always more informative on many levels.
He needs to get a grip. I know that he is on here purely to get a rise out of people, but there needs to be a little personal accountability. If he feels that he does not owe that to anyone, he needs to go over to that other web board.
The discussions here are always more informative on many levels.
10-09-2008, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Agreed. I will stated again. I agree that there are people over there that I know that this has happened to. That is the reference to Spliffs post that I agree with. The rest is rubbish.
He needs to get a grip. I know that he is on here purely to get a rise out of people, but there needs to be a little personal accountability. If he feels that he does not owe that to anyone, he needs to go over to that other web board.
The discussions here are always more informative on many levels.
He needs to get a grip. I know that he is on here purely to get a rise out of people, but there needs to be a little personal accountability. If he feels that he does not owe that to anyone, he needs to go over to that other web board.
The discussions here are always more informative on many levels.
Back to our regular food fights
Ferd
10-09-2008, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
On a side note, guys how is the sushi over there? Is the yen/dollar rate better than the Euro? 6 bucks for coffee is really killing me.
) in Narita, Osaka and Nagoa. The bad news is the yen has fallen to almost 1 for 1 (100 yen to a dollar) from 107 just a couple of months ago. The old guys talk about over 200 yen to the dollar.......ahhhhh the good old days.Come on out, I'll give ya the Narita tour. "Jet Lag" is the current hang out. Oh, and I'm sure you'll be out at the Radisson soon. College dorm life at it's best
.Ferd
10-09-2008, 11:48 AM
#148
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
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By the way, nobody's been furloghed, and nobody's getting furloughed. Early and planned retirements are so far above projections, the last APA and the upcoming APA will have new Captain positions on the 747-400 and the A330. Furlough mitigation was a good plan in case we needed it, but now we don't.
Carl
By the way, nobody's been furloghed, and nobody's getting furloughed. Early and planned retirements are so far above projections, the last APA and the upcoming APA will have new Captain positions on the 747-400 and the A330. Furlough mitigation was a good plan in case we needed it, but now we don't.
Carl
Well as our equity share rapidly approaches zero hopefully less guys will stick around for it and more guys will retire as planned. I'm still trying to figure out if this is good or bad. On one hand more guys will retire. On the other hand my equity share will also be worth squat - Oh well such is life.
Oh and another thing - "don't sell yourself short - your quite a slouch." In other words words NW is a solid airline with a great history and when this is all said and done hopefully the new Delta/Northwest will continue the proud tradition (prior to BK) of both companies.
One more thing - yours truly was turned down by UAL - one of the best things that ever happened to me, but really who gives a crap. Any guys that got turned down by DAL and hired at NW or turned down by NW and hired at DAL are now part of the team - case closed.
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