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Old 10-09-2008, 01:29 PM
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No kidding. I just checked and it was 99 to 1. OMG!
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Read my post. I did not address the other point for a reason. I totally disagree with it. Better.
Better. I owe you a beer. Space is just nuts and I don't want anyone to encourage him.

Hey, with all this beer and rounds being offered up, we should just have a bar-b-que in ATL in June & an ice fishing party in MSP in..... May. (Ha!)
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
I'm curious to find out how many of the NWA pilots hired in the last "boom" (as short as NWA's "boom" was compared to DAL's) were rejected by DAL's "outlandish" process first (which we should be able to ascertain)...and how many of them were hoping for DAL and got an interview/job with NWA instead (we can only speculate on that number).

Easy, I'm not trying to knock on the 15 guys hired at NWA who actually wanted to live in an NWA hub, and for whom NWA was #1 on the list. I bet they're not good poker players.

I'm pretty sure any sane guy not living in an NWA hub would have rather been hired at DAL (better pay, better DC plan, better EVERYTHING).

Hopefully this will be on the arbitrators' radar at some point.
Wrong! I turned CAL and DAL down to join NWA---and I do not live close to any NWA hub. (I know several others who chose NWA over DAL for various reasons). For me the main reason to chose NWA was seniority progression.

Delta has been especially good for pilots at Delta who were present when the top 2000 left---fast seniority movement! However, following that, Delta became the major with the youngest pilot group in the country. On the other hand-NWA had a slow seniority progression---until now---all of a sudden, more than half the pilot group is 50+. For me it was an easy decision to join NWA and ride the seniority wave...and I am having a great time flying at NWA.

Delta is a good airline but so is NWA. If you think most of us here at NWA are Delta rejects and Delta wannabees, you're in for a rude awakening after the merger!

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Old 10-09-2008, 02:59 PM
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Wrong! I turned CAL and DAL down to join NWA---and I do not live close to any NWA hub. (I know several others who chose NWA over DAL for various reasons). For me the main reason to chose NWA was seniority progression.

Delta has been especially good for pilots at Delta who were present when the top 2000 left---fast seniority movement! However, following that, Delta became the major with the youngest pilot group in the country. On the other hand-NWA had a slow seniority progression---until now---all of a sudden, more than half the pilot group is 50+. For me it was an easy decision to join NWA and ride the seniority wave...and I am having a great time flying at NWA.

Delta is a good airline but so is NWA. If you think most of us here at NWA are Delta rejects and Delta wannabees, you're in for a rude awakening after the merger!
You can come to my bar-be-que!!! (I was never really going to do the ice fishing party thing. That's just stupid)
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Old 10-09-2008, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip View Post

From what I read in the transcripts, the business plan that Steenland argued to the BR judge was to phase out the 9 and replace it with Newco. You guys successfully limited the loss to 90 76 seat jets, hence Compass. So the plan was still to cut the 9 but the result was something less or am I mistaken?
Its against the previous NWA scope language and the New DAL scope language to replace ALL of the DC9s and replacing them with RJ's. Sure some are replacements but we were and are protected from that happening. Thats why nwa only ordered the number of CRJ and EMBs they did because that was the maximum they could order. Thats also why the DC9 parkings were announced when they were because the scope floor was set 1 year following bankruptcy so they had to make that decision then when they did.

Bottom line is we all have the protections against parking them and replacing with RJ's unless they are flown by Mainline pilots on the mainline list. We must stay strong on scope and try to make it even tighter.
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Old 10-09-2008, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by freightguy View Post
Wrong! I turned CAL and DAL down to join NWA---and I do not live close to any NWA hub. (I know several others who chose NWA over DAL for various reasons). For me the main reason to chose NWA was seniority progression.

Delta has been especially good for pilots at Delta who were present when the top 2000 left---fast seniority movement! However, following that, Delta became the major with the youngest pilot group in the country. On the other hand-NWA had a slow seniority progression---until now---all of a sudden, more than half the pilot group is 50+. For me it was an easy decision to join NWA and ride the seniority wave...and I am having a great time flying at NWA.

Delta is a good airline but so is NWA. If you think most of us here at NWA are Delta rejects and Delta wannabees, you're in for a rude awakening after the merger!
Thats why i wanted to come to NWA also. I didnt even apply to DAL. Not because i thought one way or the other about it but i just wasnt interested in DAL. I guess i will be now DAL and NWA are both great companies and the joining of the two should make an even better airline for us all.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:39 PM
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But, 404 NWA pilots junior to guys who started at Delta in May of THIS YEAR makes me ill.
Yea, I wasn't a math major, but having 7361 people inserted senior to me on the list can't be good for my career. But hey at least I get brought up to my longevity for pay. That makes it ok. Give me 30K now and I'll gladly give up those 7361 numbers. That's like what about $4 a number? Seems fair.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:41 PM
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I applied to Delta, United, Northwest, and American. The only reason I'm at Delta was they were the first one's to offer me a job. Age of pilot group, domiciles, aircraft, pension, all were non-players to me. It was only about who offered me the job first.
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:49 PM
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I'm an over 50 NWA guy that applied at every airline I could think of, plus Customs, Lockheed Production Test, and even a three letter organization that begins with C and ends with A. I was hired in early 87 by Western, American, Piedmont, Gulfstream Production Test, and NWA. Delta canceled my Western class, American had a 17 year B scale, Piedmont, where I really wanted to go, announced the US Air merger and I had the chief pilot tell me to think hard about it, hint, so I went to NWA with no B scale, and at that time more than a few pilots were leaving Fedex, Delta and American to come to NWA. Up until the LBO by Checchi and Wilson, NWA was top tier with Delta. I had an opportunity with a class action suit to go to Delta about 18 months later over the Western class cancellations and declined. The point of all this drivel is that to you Delta brothers, we are probably more like you, and you are more like us than any group in this screwed up business.
Not to get your shorts in a knot, but in hindsight it looks like I did OK. The no B got the first 6 years out ahead, the return on our concessions in 92' paid off as a positive, made Captain in 9 years, was making 219 an hour on the bus before the flag went up, got a very nice equity stake, and kept some portion of my defined benefit plan. And now a merger. I'm thankful it is with Delta, believe me. We will add to your legacy,and bring some surprisingly good ideas, and by and large hope to finally feel appreciated by those we work for, and with.
We won't be backing up to the pay window with any feelings of low self worth. We are a pioneering airline, probably more than any legacy carrier in many ways, and RA knows more about this than anyone. We can't wait to contribute to Delta!
The SLI is out of my hands, all of our hands. I know I'll take some hits. After it comes out, we'll be Delta as much as you. No, we didn't start there, but I'll get to see squadron mates, the little brother of my best friend, classmates from college, and guys I taught as an IP. Bring it on!

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Old 10-09-2008, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Not2fast View Post
Yea, I wasn't a math major, but having 7361 people inserted senior to me on the list can't be good for my career. But hey at least I get brought up to my longevity for pay. That makes it ok. Give me 30K now and I'll gladly give up those 7361 numbers. That's like what about $4 a number? Seems fair.
I can say the same thing for having almost the entire NW list added in front of me. THe only one who can't complain is the guy who ends up #1.
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