Delta's Proposed Seniority List
#21
can I assume it is more of a pay issue rather than size because the 747 is larger than the 777.
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#23
The categories were based on comparable type aircraft. The only comparable aircraft at Delta to the DC-9 is a CRJ-900. Since that is at the DCI, the -9 is at the bottom. JMO though, the brainiacs may be better at explaining it.
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What metrics are being used to determine what is comparable? I don't know so I'm just asking. Why is the DC-9 considered only comparable to the CRJ-900? The DC-9-50's carry more pax than Delta's 737-700's. The 737-700 pays more though, especially in the JPWA where it matches the -800. So is it a pay thing? Seats? MGTOW? Range?
#25
What metrics are being used to determine what is comparable? I don't know so I'm just asking. Why is the DC-9 considered only comparable to the CRJ-900? The DC-9-50's carry more pax than Delta's 737-700's. The 737-700 pays more though, especially in the JPWA where it matches the -800. So is it a pay thing? Seats? MGTOW? Range?
The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.
#26
they don't know, the try and say the dc9 is smaller even though the majority of the remaing dc9s are -40,-50's now. Seat wise they are compareable to the 737s and the dc9 is the same type as the dc9-80. People talk about how"small" it is when they try and talk down about it but it's more compareable than they like to admit because then don't have the arguing points anymore with out the attempt to portray them as "small"
It's a pontless argument either way
It's a pontless argument either way
#27
Pay and productivity mainly. There is a also a bit of historical precedent thrown onto the mix.
The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.
The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.
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they don't know, the try and say the dc9 is smaller even though the majority of the remaing dc9s are -40,-50's now. Seat wise they are compareable to the 737s and the dc9 is the same type as the dc9-80. People talk about how"small" it is when they try and talk down about it but it's more compareable than they like to admit because then don't have the arguing points anymore with out the attempt to portray them as "small"
It's a pontless argument either way
It's a pontless argument either way
#30
Pay and productivity mainly. There is a also a bit of historical precedent thrown onto the mix.
The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.
The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.
wouldn't it be safe to say that if the economy slows drastically and your 2 airlines weren't merging that delta would be in the same boat as everyone else and have to park airplanes? you just wouldn't have the 9's to park.
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