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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 486409)
Where does it say that management has to accept the outcome of this unconditionally? It is only binding on the pilots, not management.
You are correct. Section 1D8 of the contract applies. However, you can bet that management will be very reluctant to get in the middle of this. That said, they might dispute any conditions, restrictions or fences that significantly impacted their operational flexibility. They have that power. If they do object, then ALPA has a choice - resubmit a "modified" list without the fences that the company doesn't like or hand it to another arbitrator. This time it would be "baseball style". The arbitrator has to pick the company's list or ALPA's list. Fences cost money. When we submit our list, the company has to decide if they will pay that cost or not. If the fences are long and tall enough, they might object. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 486452)
Jdmj-
You are correct. Section 1D8 of the contract applies. However, you can bet that management will be very reluctant to get in the middle of this. That said, they might dispute any conditions, restrictions or fences that significantly impacted their operational flexibility. They have that power. If they do object, then ALPA has a choice - resubmit a "modified" list without the fences that the company doesn't like or hand it to another arbitrator. This time it would be "baseball style". The arbitrator has to pick the company's list or ALPA's list. Fences cost money. When we submit our list, the company has to decide if they will pay that cost or not. If the fences are long and tall enough, they might object. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 486452)
Fences cost money. When we submit our list, the company has to decide if they will pay that cost or not. If the fences are long and tall enough, they might object.
A fence that says, for example, only a NWA pilot can fly a 330 for the next 10 years has zero cost to the company. If they want to move the 330 to ATL (again for example) then they post a bid and the senior most NWA pilots who bid it get it. Whether they pay to train a Delta pilot or a NWA pilot, the cost is the same. In fact, you could argue that since a fence would mean only NWA pilots could bid the 330, then the cost could go down because it is more likely that guys already qualified will be the ones who bid it. |
Except for the first six months where they have to cover moving costs to a new base, and/or a involuntary displacement. That is where the money come from, and a lot of it.
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Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 486497)
A fence that says, for example, only a NWA pilot can fly a 330 for the next 10 years has zero cost to the company.
Gets expensive real quick. |
There are issues with or without a fence. Which would you rather? Protect what you have for a while or throw it all up in the air and let an arbitrator decide where the chips fall? At this point I don't see how we will agree on a list, both sides are ridiculous to the other.
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
(Post 486468)
Thats why NWA's proposed 10 year fence is ridiculous and totally unrealistic. As I said previously, any SLI proposal that contains 10 yr. fences illustrates how indefenseable it is on its own merits and clearly something that Delta would reject outright. Try again NWA
Might as well wait 10 years and then do SLI. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 486537)
Unless they want those 330s based in ATL and nobody who lives in ATL can bid it. Then the entire staffing for that plane are eligible for a company-paid move.
Gets expensive real quick. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 486537)
Unless they want those 330s based in ATL and nobody who lives in ATL can bid it. Then the entire staffing for that plane are eligible for a company-paid move.
Gets expensive real quick. except that I have been told a relatively high amount of the NWA pilots commute anyway. The commuters would commute to ATL just as they commute to DTW or MSP. Add to that even without fences, I think there will be a pretty good amount of NWA pilots moving to LAX, SLC and ATL. There will also be smaller numbers of DAL pilots moving to MSP, and maybe even a few to DTW. regardless, I think no matter what happens with the SLI, there will be some fences. The only question is how long. |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 486580)
regardless, I think no matter what happens with the SLI, there will be some fences. The only question is how long.
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