Notices
Mergers and Acquisitions Facts, rumors, and conjecture

NWA SLI Shenanigans

Old 11-20-2008, 06:37 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Cogf16's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
Default NWA SLI Shenanigans

Check out 16 Nov transcripts page 2474 thru about 2492. Its a detailed discussion of NWA's contention that 68% of age 60 pilots retired at or near 60 after the rule was changed to 65 last December. Many troubling revelations come to light. Many examples of already retired guys being counted, younger guys retired under the perp program being counted, and guys still on the list today being counted! Very disturbing. Please read for yourself.
Cogf16 is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 06:52 AM
  #2  
Works Every Weekend
 
Check Essential's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
Default

Originally Posted by Cogf16 View Post
Very disturbing. Please read for yourself.
Some of this stuff may have been inadvertent. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. No sense being "disturbed". These merger committees will be dissolved soon and the MECs will combine and we're gonna be one happy family. (hopefully)

Either way, the DAL guys caught it in time. The result is going to be extra scrutiny of the lists on both sides. That's a good thing. We want a clean list as the end product that everyone will have confidence in.
Check Essential is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 06:59 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Denny Crane's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
Default

Cog,

Yeah that is very interesting!! Sounds like the DL guys asked repeatedly for the information over quite awhile and still couldn't get a straight answer.

Maybe this is just my natural paranoia (or glass half empty) showing thru, but I wonder if anything else like this was missed.

Denny
Denny Crane is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 08:06 AM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Free Bird's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 799
Smile O

Oh my, this thread should be very entertaining!
Free Bird is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 08:11 AM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Ferd149's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
Default

Don't know for sure, but I'm sure the info is only as good as what we get from the company.......and most of them are probably writing resumes.

But, then again your right............we're slime.

KMA
Ferd149 is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 08:30 AM
  #6  
Can't abide NAI
 
Bucking Bar's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,989
Default

The Delta pilots seem to know more about who is on the NWA list than the NWA pilots do, how can that be?

I'm wondering if Bloch does his "pull out-put in" and happens to grab a couple of NWA's deceased, retired, retired / disabled, or otherwise absentee phantom Captains, is NWA going to complain?
Bucking Bar is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 08:35 AM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Ferd149's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
Default

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
The Delta pilots seem to know more about who is on the NWA list than the NWA pilots do, how can that be?

I'm wondering if Bloch does his "pull out-put in" and happens to grab a couple of NWA's deceased, retired, retired / disabled, or otherwise absentee phantom Captains, is NWA going to complain?
Look!

This is really dumb. It's a leagal proceeding, if you think we would be crazy and try and mislead the board, you guys are........anyway, I'm outta here.

Disgusted,
Ferd
Ferd149 is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 08:52 AM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Denny Crane's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
Default

Ferd,

No disrespect intended and if you feel so, then I apologize. But, if you have read the transcripts, what other conclusions can we infer from this? Doesn't the union keep track of this stuff separately from the company to keep them honest.

I know I'm predjudiced and look at these issues with a definate slant, as most of us do. I try to keep an open mind but, from reading the transcripts, on the surface it does look incriminating to me. Please enlighten me and I mean no disrespect. You seem like a very level headed individual and I value your opinion and am looking forward to the Saipan tour!!!!

Denny
Denny Crane is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 09:02 AM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
finis72's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
Default

I agree with Ferd on this one.I think it's counter productive to portray our fellow pilots as somehow being dishonest.I'm sure to some reading a bunch of lawyer drivel is entertaining,as for me I'd rather be drinking.Remember this is a bunch of lawyers talking,they all lie
finis72 is offline  
Old 11-20-2008, 09:03 AM
  #10  
Can't abide NAI
 
Bucking Bar's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,989
Default

Sorry to offend anyone. The integrity of the process is built on the integrity of the data. This is particularly true since NWA is arguing for a slotted system where mistakes in their data only benefit NWA.

I do not know why NWA showed up with bad data and why Delta was able to determine it was bad data. It would just seem that NWA would have better intel than anyone else. It is not a characterization of anyone, we don't know why they screwed up, but we know who it benefits.

Be offended if you want, but considering the effect that even one bad entry on a slotted, or dynamic list, has on the other 7,000 pilots who are not slotted, it is a big deal.

Worse, I think Bloch is buying off on a form of a slotted system. That seems to be what he indicated with several of his statements.

Last edited by Bucking Bar; 11-20-2008 at 09:10 AM.
Bucking Bar is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NoSoupForYou
Mergers and Acquisitions
37
11-23-2008 01:09 PM
MJB68
Major
6
10-19-2008 12:30 PM
DAL4EVER
Mergers and Acquisitions
12
10-18-2008 01:02 PM
Scoop
Mergers and Acquisitions
176
10-10-2008 07:03 PM
JetFlyer06
Mergers and Acquisitions
4
08-08-2008 08:48 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices